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Location: Chicago | I love the tune, "All the Things You Are" especially by Joe Pass |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I don't see any notes at all. Wouldn't make a lot of difference if I did. I hear the chords, make up my own tune within the chord structure, then play what I hear that tune to be, all pretty much on the fly. As somebody else said, play the same song a second time and those leads will never be the same. I may repeat some of the melody line, but more often than not I don't. Latin songs seem to come easiest for me. |
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Location: enid, ok | I just trust my ears. And think about guys like Larry Carlton, Allan Holdsworth, Jeff Beck, that are really good over changes. And wish I could do that. |
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Location: Michigan | At this point I play melodies and lead lines and try to put insome bass runs around the chords. Mostly when playing around the nut. Only been back into playing a little over a year or so.
I can't get to theoretical for too long yet or it dampens the fun of playing.
This is a good thread and interesting points made
Theres 2 things that I will always remember that make sense that were stated to me.
1)Your left hand is your brain, your right hand is your personality.
2)You know a clam when you hit one.
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Playing in a group will force you develop your ad lib/improv skills relatively rapidly. Matt Smith also reinforces some of the points made in this thread during his workshops. Trust your ears, sing or hum what you hear within the music, then just play along. |
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Location: Chicago | Ain't that the truth (and to develop your time & rhythm). I also HIGHLY recommend a loop pedal for practice. DAMN, it's fun!
Anyone try playing over "Wichita Lineman?"? It's fun! |
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Location: Chicago | Love JT\'s new version..... |
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Location: Chicago | There are many rock, classical, bluegrass, and country tunes out there with great chord changes. Jazz should not hog THAT honor.
Take the PACHELBEL Canon progression:
I - V - vi - iii - IV - I - IV - V
D - A - Bm - F#m - G - D - G - A
Blues Traveler's "Hook" and Green Day's "Basket Case" (Green Day skips the last IV and extends the V to last for 2 bars). |
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Location: Chicago | Another tune with great changes, love that resolution to D major!!!
Moody Blues: TUESDAY AFTERNOON
F
Tuesday afternoon
C Bb
I'm just beginning to see
Am D
Now I'm on my way
C Bb
It doesn't matter to me
Am Bb
Chasing the clouds away
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Something calls to me
C Bb
The trees are calling me near
Am D
I've got to find out why
C Bb
Those gentle voices I hear
Am D
Explain it all with a sigh
D D# E D#
G G F C (2X)
G F C G F C
I'm looking at myself reflections of my mind
G F C G F C
It's just the kind of day to leave myself behind
G F C G F C
So gently swaying through the fairyland of love
G F C G F C
If you'll just come with me and see the beauty of |
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Location: Chicago | Oh yeah, and then there's the seventh chord that resolves to minor (like B7 to Emin). This opens the possibility of the wide world of DIMINISHED chords. Any one here use those critters? It gives you the b9, the 3rd, the 5th and the 7th of the V chord on to the minor.
What the hell is he TALKING about? |
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Location: Fernandina Beach | ive been know to dabble a bit in chords such as these dobro. its great fun. there are a two site i really like to put some to use
http://www.theguitarguy.com/home.htm
http://jguitar.com/?notes=flats
the second has a chord finder where you can find the names o :cool: f any chord you imput. usually 3 or 4
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Location: Newington, CT | I see the upcoming notes in a shape on the fretboard, generally within three frets and three strings:
----|----|----|----|----|--------------
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I'll see something like that pattern in my mind, and move around in it. However, my limitation (among -- ahem -- "several") is that I feel comfortable only within that "box." I then can go to another note much further away on the neck, that I know works, and see the same type of "box" from there. Causes more swoops than is probably all that good.
Also, I have learned (very recently) a REALLY valuable thing: truly playing the "wrong" note on purpose. I do mainly improvisation, so I spend a lot of time going "from here to there" on the fretboard. I've found that if you are heading toward a destination note, it is sometimes extremely effective to go toward that note in hitting "wrong" half-steps along the way. Then, when you end up on the note that you know really "hits the spot," it can sound glorious.
I hope some of that made sense. I'm not schooled either in the theory of it all, or the lingo, so I described it as well as I knew how.
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
I don't see any notes at all. Wouldn't make a lot of difference if I did. I hear the chords, make up my own tune within the chord structure, then play what I hear that tune to be, all pretty much on the fly. As somebody else said, play the same song a second time and those leads will never be the same. I may repeat some of the melody line, but more often than not I don't. Latin songs seem to come easiest for me. Apologies for bumping this one...I was idly going through the threads and came across this entry. Professor: you and I do pretty much the same thing, I think. That is, if I understood your post correctly.
I've been looking for others who do this...is this what you do in public as well?
Thanks!
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Originally posted by AlanM:
Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
I don't see any notes at all. Wouldn't make a lot of difference if I did. I hear the chords, make up my own tune within the chord structure, then play what I hear that tune to be, all pretty much on the fly. As somebody else said, play the same song a second time and those leads will never be the same. I may repeat some of the melody line, but more often than not I don't. Latin songs seem to come easiest for me. Apologies for bumping this one...I was idly going through the threads and came across this entry. Professor: you and I do pretty much the same thing, I think. That is, if I understood your post correctly.
I've been looking for others who do this...is this what you do in public as well? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | He does it very well. I thought he knew Maury's part to one of the Croce songs I played and it turned out he hadn't heard the song before. I figured it was something akin to the ability of some people to harmonize vocally with most anything. Some can and most can't. I'm a memorizer, primarily because I don't usually try to leave my comfort zone. When I get tired of memorizing, maybe I'll try to stretch a little. So far, it's enough of a challenge to just try to nail one song one time. There are very few I can get through without a mistake. |
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| Buy a cheap book called "Fretboard logic".In two hours you will learn the fretboard up and down.I'm serious.It woke me up. |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by Ultrafan:
Buy a cheap book called "Fretboard logic".In two hours you will learn the fretboard up and down.I'm serious.It woke me up. Hmmmmmmmmmm...might just do that. I'm like the good Professor...I can pretty much jam to anything. Just about always could. But it would be nice to know what all I'm doing's called! |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
Originally posted by AlanM:
Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
I don't see any notes at all. Wouldn't make a lot of difference if I did. I hear the chords, make up my own tune within the chord structure, then play what I hear that tune to be, all pretty much on the fly. As somebody else said, play the same song a second time and those leads will never be the same. I may repeat some of the melody line, but more often than not I don't. Latin songs seem to come easiest for me. Apologies for bumping this one...I was idly going through the threads and came across this entry. Professor: you and I do pretty much the same thing, I think. That is, if I understood your post correctly.
I've been looking for others who do this...is this what you do in public as well?
On a more practical note, I usually hit those clams when I'm trying to do something new and break out of the usual. I figure it's the price of stretching myself. |
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