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Mitchrx
Posted 2007-09-24 1:58 PM (#80608 - in reply to #80583)
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Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
You might as well say Wendy (Walter) Carlos or Mike Oldfield, or Rio Kawasaki aren't musicians either.
Excellent point. When Wlater Carlos came out with Switched on Bach back in the 60's, many in the classsical music world viewed the album with utter scorn. The thinking then was that classical music cannot and should not be taken apart, played and recorded in individual parts, put back together using hi-tech (for then) studio techniques and mixed so that it all comes together as an orchestrated piece. Such recording techniques are now thought of as mainstream. Switched on Bach is now well regarded as a masterpiece.

As for tuntable players, there now are college music courses for turntable performance. Like anything new there's always going to be some resistance by folks who just don't like it.

Music is art. Someone who plays a turntable and creates sounds that are part of a muscial piece is a musician. Same thing for a person who plays a kazoo, a jaw harp, "spoons", etc. Like it or not, they are musicians.

Here's something else. I play guitar, but not very well. I perform in public 3 or 4 times a years anyway. I consider myself a musician, albeit with limited skills. Am I any more or less a musician than someone who is very accomplished at creating turntable sounds?
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2007-09-24 5:05 PM (#80609 - in reply to #80583)
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark		Tones put together that generate Soundwaves, which a Person defines as "MUSIC"...How those Tones are being brought about are of Interest to Some people ,people like us,... DJ`s and the like, I may not call "Musicians", but they could be Labelled "ARTISTS", but Why Not call them Musicians..??..is it because they mainly "use" Tones that were conceived by Others, and then have been "Reshuffled", so as not being "original" anymore,...and what about the person who uses an X-tra device, such as Keyboardists, who, for some years have used electronic drummers, and, those that are using a "band in a box", in order to "enhance" their Performance,... Things have changed fast in the last couple of decades, so Redefinitions maybe in order.. :)

Vic

...a Musician is an Artist, an Artist is not allways a Musician..how Often they perform is Irrelevant.. :)
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Posted 2007-09-24 5:51 PM (#80610 - in reply to #80583)
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-09-24 7:00 PM (#80611 - in reply to #80583)
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Location: Cicero, NY		Sorry, gg...I'm just funnin' around with Jiffy as we're prone to do from time to time. If we didn't, he just wouldn't feel loved, would he...? Think of it this way - didja ever see a Mother Goose leave the slow one behind? No way! Well, we're not gonna leave the slow one behind either. Unh-unh, not gonna happen.

(Ok, well maybe that was a tough analogy but I'm tryin'...! ;) )
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Posted 2007-09-24 8:33 PM (#80612 - in reply to #80583)
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-09-24 9:02 PM (#80613 - in reply to #80583)
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Originally posted by guitargirl777:
(banjo is for sale by the way..any takers? :D )
Not right now... But Someday.
Gotta learn how to play all these guitars first!
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2007-09-24 11:20 PM (#80614 - in reply to #80583)
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark		Arthur, repeat after me :

I`m a guitar Virtuoso..I`m a guitar Virtuoso..I`m a..

Vic

..repeat until your fingers bleed.. :D
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Beal
Posted 2007-09-25 9:25 AM (#80615 - in reply to #80583)
Subject: Re: OT: Are turntablists really musicians?



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Location: 6 String Ranch		Maybe this needs to be clarified a bit.

Are these wankers musicians? You know, they very well could be and they could be good ones too. Like the example of Mike Oldfield who spent more time mixing than playing. So yes they could be really musicians.


However they are NOT when they are making noise with a turntable. That is not creating music, it's just playing bits of it.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2007-09-25 10:06 AM (#80616 - in reply to #80583)
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains		I well remember Switched on Bach. It was the first 8-track tape I ever bought that was recorded in quadrophonic, with all eight tracks (four channels) running in a single direction, to play on my nifty new Panasonic quad set up. Still have the Panasonic in the living room and the receiver and amp work fine with some form of analog splitting of the L/R channels into front and rear, but the quad 8-track quit working years ago.
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Oddball
Posted 2007-09-25 10:52 PM (#80617 - in reply to #80583)
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Location: CA		The 'rap' thing is also a pet peeve of mine. But it's not an apples/oranges thing, or a musician/pilot thing. The music INDUSTRY considers those guys 'artists'. They make 'albums' in the studio (which — maybe it's just me — all sound exactly alike) and are on the billboard charts and they attend and receive awards at shows like the Grammys. So for lack of a better pigeonhole, I feel the industry considers them musicians. But wherever you classify them, my all-time biggest pet peeve is how much money they get paid for having so little talent. The emporer truly has no clothes.
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maxdaddy7271
Posted 2007-09-26 3:08 AM (#80618 - in reply to #80583)
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Location: enid, ok		Hey, when did Kid Rock write a good song?
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Beal
Posted 2007-09-27 9:17 AM (#80619 - in reply to #80583)
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Location: 6 String Ranch		never.
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