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Location: Corpus Christi, TX | That Predator is exactly like mine, from the serial number it appears to be a 1991. Looks in great shape. Has no tremolo bar but they can be purchased at all parts, the thread is 10-32
By the way those maple necks are really nice and play well. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by Beal:
posted May 25, 2010 08:36 PM
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Sorry I didn't know it was "one of those". That's what pisses me off. Most manufacturers will sell their souls (in the form of a brand name) for a little extra cash. What ever happened to integrity?
Henry doesn't have any, soul or integrity. But does have lots of busy lawyers and unhappy workers. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Before you go bashing Gibson for selling at Best Buy, be aware that Ovation does the very same thing ...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Ovation+-+Celebrity+6-String+Cutaway+Ac... |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | It's not so much THAT they're selling at best buy, but WHAT they're selling. I'd be willing to bet the Celebrity is playable and TUNABLE. Those Gibsons are not. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | it's not Ovation that's doing it, it's Fender |
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Location: Houston, Texas | I don't know whether this will sound blasphemous to some or not. But, where there is a big market, somebody will fill it, and I find it hard to blame manufacturers for taking advantage of it.
Yeah, there are some real pieces of crap being sold at major big box variety stores by a lot of different major manufacturers, but mostly they are bought as gifts for someone who has never owned or even played a guitar but has expressed an interest in it.
I think that a good instrument is a big asset to someone just starting to learn how to play, but if everyone thinks back to when they first started to learn, most would say they started with a lousy cheap guitar. Most of us here who are moderately accomplished players, (I'm not sure if I even fit into that group), would say that that cheap lousy guitar didn't squash their desire to learn how to play, but when they reached a certain point, they wanted a decent one, and when they got that it was a boost to their learning.
Most of those who start to learn and then give up, what percentage I don't know, but I would guess about 85 to 90%, would give up anyway even if they had a really playable guitar.
It seems easy, most of the time, to take for granted what most of us have accomplished in being able to play to some level, and we can certainly tell the difference between a playable and a non-playable guitar, but think about the time and pain involved in getting the fingers to do what they can do now. Until you reach a certain point, the fingers and mind can't take advantage of a decent guitar anyway. Even a beginner sounds like crap on a first class instrument.
Ultimately, it's the player that will figure out when its the guitar that's holding him back and seek a decent one, until then even a cheap lousy guitar is a guitar. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Thank You, Rick...
The first guitar that I bought was a $97 cheapie.
(Since it came with an amp, strap, bag and all that, the actual guitar probably cost $50 New)
I still have it, but I haven't played it in Years (literally).
But last time I checked it was still in tune! (open G)
Every-so-often a really nice cheapie guitar will stumble off of the assembly line, by accident.
(Kinda like "Christine" coming off of the Plymouth line)
The Lyon is actually a nice guitar...
But once I bought that 4861 it was relegated to it's bag. :(
So I went on to more expensive guitars, which don't make me play any better...
But I still keep the Lyon for sentimental reasons.
It did it's job! :cool:
So there are Celebrity's, Epiphone's, Squire's and such for people with little funds...
Would you give a thousand dollar guitar to your kid when he is first starting?
Yeah, it might teach him respect and responsibility...
But does he have to learn that lesson by ruining an expensive guitar? |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | I have nothing against Celebritys, Epiphones, and SOME Squires. Heck, I have nothing against old Silvertones (my first guitar). But the Gibson in question really IS the worst guitar I have ever seen. If a kid tries to tune it, the tuning keys will break off in his hand. And there is no way to adjust the intonation so that it sounds even SLIGHTLY in tune. |
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Location: Alagoas, Brazil | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
I have nothing against Celebritys, Epiphones, and SOME Squires. Heck, I have nothing against old Silvertones (my first guitar). But the Gibson in question really IS the worst guitar I have ever seen. If a kid tries to tune it, the tuning keys will break off in his hand. And there is no way to adjust the intonation so that it sounds even SLIGHTLY in tune. So Gibson will loose market by doing this. A kid whose first guitar comes apart the first time they play it will never spend his money on the same stuff.
If I were in Marketing, I would try to sell a GOOD product as cheap as possible so it would become a reference for future purchases. Even if that meant selling it under their real value. |
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Location: Bellevue, Washington | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
If he doesn't have to have a new one and likes a strat style, find him an Ultra GS. +1 to that suggestion! The Ultra GS is easy to play, easy to tune and keep in tune, nice Kahler bridge and decent pickups. Miles had a couple at the Seattle Vintage Guitar show a few weeks back, maybe he's still got one? |
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Location: south east Michigan | Okay... just to wrap this up... He went to guitar center and picked up a very playable, nice looking, made in China, B. Rich.
He paid only $99.00 for it.
He brought it in to work today to show me. Very passable for a beginner. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Yeah, BC Rich starter guitars are very playable and well made for the price. Good choice. Now I hope he learns to love playing. |
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