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TAFKAR
Posted 2012-07-15 9:02 PM (#456619 - in reply to #456555)
Subject: Re: RI 47 Prototype



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Dobro, without having been present, I'm guessing that someone in the management/production line wanted to test that a certain bit was able to be done before they start manufacturing. They might have been confident of some bits (so they didn't include that in the proto) but they had some doubt about something. I'm guessing it's something to do with the neck (slotted, carved headstock?) as the other bits seem to be stock standard 1687.

Interesting that there are some white dots on the front lined up with the bridge. Maybe the bridge location is slightly different? Can't see why?

Edited by TAFKAR 2012-07-15 9:04 PM
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Tony Calman
Posted 2012-07-16 12:41 AM (#456628 - in reply to #456555)
Subject: Re: RI 47 Prototype



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I agree that it is not the 47RI...I have two of the four 1687-2's and the 1st 47RI to be sold. The story goes that after the 1687-8 reissues were sold, the factory found that they still had some 1687-8's and four 1687-2's. The 1687-2's were to be sent to Germany. The 47RI was made as an acoustic as the original #47 was...looks like the factory took a 1687-2 and gave it a slothead...result is a unique and great guitar! Doubt if it was a true prototype but a modification before they closed the production line.

Maybe Al has the story behind it...

Edited by Tony Calman 2012-07-16 12:42 AM
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alpep
Posted 2012-07-16 12:53 PM (#456649 - in reply to #456555)
Subject: Re: RI 47 Prototype


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No
this was the guitar that was made as the prototype.
they thought it should have electronics until they settled on leaving it acoustic like Charlie's.
they in turn made the 1687 and 1581 electric.
the OFC has the electronics
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2012-07-16 1:44 PM (#456656 - in reply to #456555)
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Maybe we might look at it as a prototype for the OFC-I, only in a different color and sans gold trim on the purfling. Its a worthy Adamas guitar hand-crafted from the Adamas artisans in New Hartford. Like all Adamas models, they're hand-crafted customs from a list of available parts and features. Some models are repeated as production models. Some aren't. This one was repeated in a different color scheme and 12 of us grabbed them as the OFC-I. Its a wonderful guitar of which any owner should be proud.
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WillaMuse
Posted 2012-07-16 2:47 PM (#456664 - in reply to #456598)
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Kurt, 

I love your signature featuring that gorgeous red Adamas.  


Willa  

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Koenig Kurt
Posted 2012-07-16 3:15 PM (#456665 - in reply to #456555)
Subject: RE: RI 47 Prototype



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Thank you, Willa! This picture was taken for Jerome's homepage: 

http://www.ovationtribute.com/Adamas_Slotheads/Reissues/%2347_82/1187_247_RI_082.html

Best regards,

Kurt

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WillaMuse
Posted 2012-07-19 11:59 PM (#456858 - in reply to #456555)
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Dobro,

Like Arthur, I can't wait to hear/see a video of you playing it! I think you're going to fall in love, and it is GORGEOUS, too! Congratulations.


Willa
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2012-07-20 6:21 AM (#456862 - in reply to #456612)
Subject: Re: RI 47 Prototype


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Interesting thread. Can't wait to hear about the guitar when you get it. I thought I would shed some light on one aspect this thread took..

legend74 - 2012-07-15 4:09 PM
Since we have an exact "target" (Charlie K's original #47) why cobble together a "prototype" from "approximate" spare parts that are quite different from the original slothead stock?


This relates to most re-issues and even some originals over time. Just because you have all the specs, doesn't mean you can recreate the original exactly for several reasons..

1. The originals were all handmade so no two where alike. Pretty hard to copy that.
2. The materials have changed over the years. Wood and even Carbon Fiber have changed over the years.
3. Finishes and Glues change over the years... This actually relates to #2 above... It's not that Carbon Fiber changed, but the process for making Carbon fiber can.

This may seem like menial items, but even the glue that holds the top in, if the formula changed at all, can change the guitar. The thickness and chemical makeup of the finish has or can have a huge effect.

Remember the "Q"... the guitar that never was... sorta.. I seem to recall it was a fantastic sounding all CF guitar... until they painted it or finished it.

I also seem to recall a story about the more recent Al Dimeola guitars not sounding like the older ones and it also turned out to be a change in the chemical makeup of the finish being used.

So, while they have the exact specs of guitars built 30+ years ago, it would be nearly impossible to build an exact copy of them. Now it could be argued that they can now build it better. That's subjective, but certainly plausible. Maybe the re-issues will change color in 50 years instead of 30. We'll just have to wait and see.



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moody, p.i.
Posted 2012-07-20 8:50 AM (#456865 - in reply to #456555)
Subject: Re: RI 47 Prototype


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I think Miles pretty well nailed it. It's probably a "lets put the elements together and see what we can do then we'll work on the cosmetic parts" guitar.

One question, was the top on the original slotheads (and the early Adamii guitars) different than the later ones? The top on Dob's guitar may be different than the production Adamii --- old school as it were......
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2012-07-20 10:10 AM (#456868 - in reply to #456555)
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For the relatively few prototypes that have survived in decent shape, imagine how many have been destroyed over the years.
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