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Location: Mechanicsburg,Pa. | I recently paid too much for a breadwinner off ebay which was not what it was billed as. Upon reciept of weapon found the pickgaurd severly cracked. No problem, got a new one ordered, however the electronics are cobbled up pretty well and have been having a terrible time locating. Can anyone out there help a newbie give his breadwinner some guts? :confused: |
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Location: NJ | the preamp is the hardest part to find.
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Location: Mechanicsburg,Pa. | Can these preamps be made and if so are there any kind of parts breakdown available? I would imagine that ovation keeps that info in a deep dark cave with mushrooms and others not seeing the light of day. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Welcome OG&TC,
Check my gallery, I have been rescuing Ebay Solids and doing what I can for a little while. Functional Deacon/BW pups and circuit boards are scarce. Expect to pay over $100 for pups and the same again for the Circuit board IF you can find them!
Like Real Estate, they just don't make em anymore!
The are some nice arrangements for non original set ups in the D/BW's. Seymour Duncan Phat Cats are a nice Humbucker arrangement shared by a few of us.
Hang around a while and see what comes up. I can help you with some Pickguard options as well.
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Location: Upper Left USA | There are schematics out there but most of the original parts (one-for-one fit) are out dated and discontinued.
Thats why an original condition Deacon is gaining value/momentum. |
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Location: Mechanicsburg,Pa. | Thanks for the input. Keep me in mind for any of that internal stuff. It will be greatly appreciated. I do have the pickups and new pickgaurd to duplicate original has been ordered.
I have also noticed pricing on a couple BW's on ebay at this time. I do have a question maybe someone can answer. The BW I bought is black s# E000397 Which tells me ,I believe, that it is a 1975,however the input jack is on the rear of guitar as opposed to the face. It also has the pup's with 6 pole screws each and the odd rectangular design.There is a 1974 BW on ebay at this moment with input jack on the face of guitar and 12 pole pup's. I thought I had read that the design features of my BW was early design and the ebay a later. Can someone point out to me where I got confused. I also may try to bid on the 1974 and maybe between the two make one nice one. By the way ,which of the two pickup designs are more desirable and/or what are the tone differences.The body on the BW I have is very nice I have noticed since I have completely stripped it down. |
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| Hey Old cars & triumph cars! Handle says it all. Nice!
Take MWOODY up on the pickguard offer! Honestly take a look in his gallery at some of the old guitars he has brought back to life. It is only a personal preference but the old Deacons & BW's look their absolute best with a wood pick guard. I am convinced there is not a better design for an electric guitar for the placement of slighly lighter color wood guards! See if you agree. Worth every penny and Mike makes them from the best wood he can find. Nothing cheap and quick here. Some of the guy's just send him the guitar and it comes back all shinneeey & new looking. Sometimes those of us with time consuming jobs and or to many other hobbies just do not have the time to do as good a job as these old guitars need to make them nice. Perhaps Mike has a Triumph he can send to you? If you see my point.
Enjoy and welcome to the site!
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Location: Mechanicsburg,Pa. | Thanks for the welcome & heads up on MWoodys' talents northcountry, I did notice his work earlier and have always admired natural wood tones on guitars. MWoody, is that a type of veneer your working with. In most British cars (Triumphs for sure) have wooden dash boards with different style veneers used. Might be able to find you a new market if your interested.
And BruDeV,WOW, what can I say? Question asked, question answered! You guys really know how to take care and give direction to new members. Accolades all! I believe I'll be enjoying myself here.
I do have one question on the schamatics you turned me onto and that being what is the difference between the different versions such as c-2; c-3 ;d ;and e. I am guessing they are for different year applications?
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| Yeah I thought the same thing my first few posts! Then They make you send your guitars all over the country so the first 100 members can play them.. and you.. well you've got "old cars" so your going to have to share them too.
Then your going to find you have GAS like the rest of us and you'll find Al's store to the left or someone in here will be selling the "perfect guitar" and you'll be willing to steal the kids lunch money to get it.
Then there is the "Ovation Cult's" annual Factory Tour, where they put you in the special chair in the Adamas room and brain wash you into thinking you have to give everyone you know, and don't know, a favorable opinion about Ovation guitars for the rest of your life!
You will loose sleep and find yourself posting messages in here at 2:00am and that's just the beginning.
You'll see you'll be a used up, frazzled, bleary eyed, wreck of a human just like the rest of us soon!
Whats left of me.....Randy |
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Location: San Bernardino, California | The two Cs are for the early large single coil pickup Breadwinners.
D for early minihumbucker Breadwinner/Deacons.
E for later minihumbucker Breadwinner/Deacons & early Preacher Deluxe/Preacher 12 string.
F for later Preacher Deluxe/Preacher 12 string.
I believe there is another version that's between the C-2 and D versions. (I've only seen it in photos).
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7367475363&rd=1&... |
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Location: Mechanicsburg,Pa. | Well since I'm going down in flames anyway this seems like a good place to burn out. Sorta like the elephants going to that special place where only they and others like them go to give it up in comfortable surrondings.
Hey,nourthcountry, are you from up there in those Adirondacks or are you out there on the island? Every Sept. 2nd week you can find me up at Watkins Glen for the Vintage Grand Prix, so if you can make it out that way I can at least get this old car share thing out of the way. I suppose I could bring a guitar too...
By the way when is this pilgramage to New Hartford? I may just drive one out there too!
BruDeV, thanks for the additional info. Consider due props given and if you can make it and want to take a trip or two around the Glens' track, well you know when I'll be there. Check out more info at our clubs site CPTC.org.
Am I also to understand that any of these preamp circuits will work , that they are interchangeable between models?
Well, if someone can tell me how to upload, download,noload belching toad some pictures I will shamefully reveal what can happen when purchasing on ebay. Mind ,I have not given any feedback yet and would be interested in what others may have to say as far as suggestions to the effect of recuping some of that $550.00. I could also try to load the ad if someone schooled me. I believe this person misrepresented this unit especially when I looked over his previous sales, but hey ,thats life. No need to go postal.
Well there is another black 74 on ebay getting ready to go so I must see if it is correct and either make one from two or play one and customize the other. Wish me luck! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | If the auction was within the last three months, post the ID# and we can give an opinion on whether or not the description was misleading. |
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| I wish I could help more with the Deacons & Breadwinners I am just learning about these myself. THere are a few in here though you can take the info they give you to the bank.
I am from the Saratoga area of NY right on the Sacandaga Lake. We have a group of guy's who race pre 70 Corvettes here on an old go cart race track near the Edinburg Airport. Real well organized and fun to watch. This small, tight turned, track has real steep short hills and these guy's can accelerate fast enough to catch air if they go to fast.
If I make this years tour it will be my first! I could not make the one two years ago and I messed up last year big time by missing it.
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Location: Mechanicsburg,Pa. | Well the black bread winner did not sell but I emailed an offer of $300.00. Can anyone out there in Breadwinner land tell me where I am at with that offer?
nourthcountry ,I don't think you can get much closer than Adironack Park to the Adironacks,But?? When do they run those races? My wifes' car is a 1970 corvette with a custom '70's paint job on it so I guess you can pretty much tell from the things we covet ,what era we're coming from! Most of my Triumphs and my two motorcycles are '70's also. Thanks for your input tonite Randy. Hope to talk at you again soon,
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| Looking at the auction, I'd say the guitar was pretty fairly represented. I'm not seeing the pickguard cracks, if there were any, but I'd have to see the photos you've taken of the guitar since its reciept.
Did you see the item description where the seller says that he couldn't get any sound out of it? It's likely because someone tried to modify the electronics-if you look in his picture of the bridge pickup, you'll note the blade switch, which was changed from the original three-way toggle. The original setup looks something like this (from my Breadwinner):
I wouldn't be able to make a fair call until I saw
your pictures. The question on how to post photos here was answered a couple days back for a different forum member; that thread is:
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/cgi-bin/ubb/non-cgi/ultimatebb.php?ub...
That other Breadwinner was fishy-when you modify anything electronic on these, you run the risk of damaging or destroying the circuitry, unless you really know what you're doing (IMO.) I'd be wary of the setup on that one. Was anything done to the preamp in the process? Does it even work anymore? This is what I'd want to know before buying that particular Breadwinner, and the seller doesn't really tell us. |
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| Did I say Nope to the Adirondacks Guess it should have been Yep? Easy to mess these up.. they have the same meaning. Right? Yep!
I'll try and find out the name of that club. There are some real beauites in the bunch. Some od them are actual Cheverolet Racing Division Corvettes with the single seat.
Fun to watch. It was the little track that drew them here it is a real cornering and acceleration challenge. It used to be quite an event. I hope they are still doing it. Will let cha know.
Randy Good luck with the Ovation. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Ebay auction that OGTC bought.
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Location: Mechanicsburg,Pa. | Danelectro4 does seem to come off not being very informed but once you start looking into his sale history his savvy presents itself. For instance,on item 7353983482 1960 Rickenbacker.The nievanous desappears as in othere auctions and suddenly becomes quite knowledgable, dare I say proud of this offer. Now contact was made on my part pryor to sale and assuredness was given especially concerning the fret wear which can be seen in the pictures I shall try to bring on line. As I said I'm Not truely bitchin' "You pays your money you takes your chances".     |
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| Well, I can see why it wasn't making any sound...
I'm really not qualified to make any recommendations as to what you should do next-MWoody might have a few suggestions. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I had to chew on this one for a while. Here's three options (opinions?):
1) Request a refund. Having switches that aren't hooked up and saying "I can't get any sound out of it" is a lie. If you are buying from someone who sells mostly dolls and china I can understand it but if they show any guitar knowledge at all you know they have at least pulled the pickguard!
2) Press on to locate an original circuit board. Buy a beat up BW with working electronics and then have one old stock and one to modify! That would be a nice sample of the early models.
3) I can rewire what you have to work (non-active) and replace the pickguard with something sweet and grainy! If you really feel brave you can strip that Polane surface down and see if you have a one piece Mahogany body. A redo in Tung Oil, a nice Anigre veneer pickguard and you will be ready to play in the Jungle Room!
Option four is to trade with me when I get done carving on a Viper Project I keep putting off!
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