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lanaki
Posted 2007-05-29 3:26 AM (#315515)
Subject: 1/2 Million Dollar Martin???


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http://cgi.ebay.com/EARLY-AMERICAN-GUITAR-BELIEVED-N-Y-MARTIN-1833-...
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-05-29 5:43 AM (#315516 - in reply to #315515)
Subject: Re: 1/2 Million Dollar Martin???


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someone would have to have A LOT of extra $ laying around to pay that much for THAT guitar. If it sells, they better send someone with a white coat and a big butterfly net along with it. :eek:
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giuseppe
Posted 2007-05-29 8:06 AM (#315517 - in reply to #315515)
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$500,000???
Someone should tell the seller he needs professional help! :D :D :D
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-05-29 8:10 AM (#315518 - in reply to #315515)
Subject: Re: 1/2 Million Dollar Martin???


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If this guitar was in fact made during the few years that Christian ran his shop in NY City before moving to Narareth PA (1833-1836) then it is indeed a very valuable correctors piece. However the bridge and headstock look much later to me. I don't know about a half Mil, but it's certainly valuable. Dave
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Beal
Posted 2007-05-29 8:21 AM (#315519 - in reply to #315515)
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too many 0s in that number
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-05-29 8:25 AM (#315520 - in reply to #315515)
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I sent him an email: he needs to get a mirror and look at the underside of the top...there should be a pencil signature and date there; or at least a date. The case is not something I am used to seeing in a Martin; while it is wooden, it is not in the shape (coffin) Martin usually used. I had an 1861 in my shop back in the early 80's. Gruin valued it at somewhere around 5 to 7 thousand then and it was in great shape; playable and un-molested. This is in pretty bad shape...but who knows...there are people who pay millions for a bit of a cheese sandwich...go figure.
Blessings...
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-05-29 8:28 AM (#315521 - in reply to #315515)
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I agree Dave...bridge is exactally like the one on the 1861 I had in '84...Rare...yes....half a mill....???? It looks like a mid to late 1800's to me.
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Beal
Posted 2007-05-29 8:36 PM (#315522 - in reply to #315515)
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Way to many 000000000000000s
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-05-29 9:34 PM (#315523 - in reply to #315515)
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Originally posted by Tupperware:
valuable correctors piece.
Chinese tonight Tupp?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-05-29 9:46 PM (#315524 - in reply to #315515)
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One would think that the seller would actually confirm the guitar's lineage before placing a starting bid equal to the GNP of Kurdistan...

Yes, I know... anybody willing to pay that much is likely to know what they are looking at but, look at the discussion already starting here... at the Ovation board.
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samova
Posted 2007-05-29 10:07 PM (#315525 - in reply to #315515)
Subject: Re: 1/2 Million Dollar Martin???


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I'll bet money that this guitar is not a martin at all.In fact i have the same guitar.What gave it away was the guitar heel meets the neck at the top and has a wierd 45 degree agle cut on the neck and heel where they meet..

Here is the heel on mine



here is the heel on his




Most likely this guitar like mine was built between 1835-1850 by a company called "Ashborn" of Wolcottville CT..They built guitars for different music companys.Mine was a William Hall& son brand.It is a style 1 model.This company was one of Martins biggest competitors early on...Mine is in excellent original condition and valued at $1750.00..The one on e-bay is not in good condition and i would say is not worth $1000.00.If this was truelly a real Martin why woudn't they have sent detailed pictures to martin to verify it? My guess is they really dont want to know..
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samova
Posted 2007-05-29 10:54 PM (#315526 - in reply to #315515)
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Also,notice how the heel tapers from about 3 inches to about 3/4 inch from front to back of guitar.Martin never did this..
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-05-30 5:24 AM (#315527 - in reply to #315515)
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Great investigative work, Sam! :cool: BTW, still LOVE the 1537!! :D
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samova
Posted 2007-05-30 9:33 AM (#315528 - in reply to #315515)
Subject: Re: 1/2 Million Dollar Martin???


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Jim, i miss the 1537.If i didn't have so many nice adamas guitars and the all wood adamas custom that 1537 would have never left my house.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-05-30 11:07 AM (#315529 - in reply to #315515)
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Sam is absolutely correct here, a Martin it ain't, and even if it was he's being way too ambitious with those zeros.
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brainslag
Posted 2007-05-30 11:40 AM (#315530 - in reply to #315515)
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Thanx for the info, I was gonna put in a bid. :D
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-05-30 11:03 PM (#315531 - in reply to #315515)
Subject: Re: 1/2 Million Dollar Martin???


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I emailed the seller with the info I had posted earlier in this thread: here is his reply:
Thank you for your kind letter. The gentleman who owns this guitar had it appraised about 25 years ago. The older man said it was worth at least, two hundred and fifty thousand back then. And the owner has spoken with the Martin Museum, Who agreed the guitar is of great value. Thank you for your comments and advice Please have a great day!
Older man said...shoot, ignorance is bliss!
Blessings...
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-05-31 8:28 AM (#315532 - in reply to #315515)
Subject: Re: 1/2 Million Dollar Martin???


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"American Cedar neck"
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giuseppe
Posted 2007-05-31 9:22 PM (#315533 - in reply to #315515)
Subject: Re: 1/2 Million Dollar Martin???
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Thanks for the info. I thought that William Hall & Son Ashburn guitars had laminated back and sides ((spruce interior, rosewood exterior)...am I wrong?
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PEZ
Posted 2007-06-01 12:08 AM (#315534 - in reply to #315515)
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If its real CF Martin should be willing to authenticate it.
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unbrok3npp
Posted 2007-06-07 7:06 PM (#315535 - in reply to #315515)
Subject: Re: 1/2 Million Dollar Martin???


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what is that seller smoking?

...pathetic excuse for a scam artist. haha
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muzza
Posted 2007-06-08 10:31 PM (#315536 - in reply to #315515)
Subject: Re: 1/2 Million Dollar Martin???



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I was gonna throw in a bid, but shipping to Australia would've put an extra 400 bucks on it, which puts it just outta my price range.
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unbrok3npp
Posted 2007-06-10 10:36 PM (#315537 - in reply to #315515)
Subject: Re: 1/2 Million Dollar Martin???


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Originally posted by muzza:
I was gonna throw in a bid, but shipping to Australia would've put an extra 400 bucks on it, which puts it just outta my price range.
haha. nice
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