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dweezil
Posted 2009-09-06 2:37 PM (#399375)
Subject: Percussive taps


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Howdy folks!

Just wondering if anyone here at the OFC uses percussive taps in their playing, like Peppino or Kaki (and countless others).

Here's an interesting thing, I've always liked the technique but found it hard to copy other people that do it. But today made a real breakthrough by just letting myself go and trying to play and 'tap'. I've found that having a ring on the left hand combined with the Ovation bowl provides a great rim shot sound, a bass/snare type sound is easily produced by various hand thumps/taps on the sound board.

For me this opens up a MASSIVE realm of possibilities and ways to compose.

I urge you to try it.

Hmm, that Seagull Peppino is calling me. It's quite fitting, I live by the sea and love peppers, OK it's a bit tenuous but one ought to look out for these tiny 'signs' and act upon them right? :rolleyes:

[A small aside, played some tunes on my 07C to some friends the other day (who knew nothing about Ovations at all) and all of them said WOW that looks and sounds amazing, what is it?). So some more O believers are born :) ]
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FlySig
Posted 2009-09-06 4:18 PM (#399376 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps



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My daughter does it a lot. She either taps with a fingernail or uses the palm of her hand, both techniques onto the bridge or saddle. Plugged in and turned up through a PA, it really sounds great. She does this as an accent effect.

She also does a technique of strumming all her fingers going from a fist to wide open and then hits all the strings with her palm to mute it. It really adds a percussiveness when plugged in. You'd swear there was a drum keeping the beat through the song.
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AlanM
Posted 2009-09-06 4:25 PM (#399377 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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FlySig: "She also does a technique of strumming all her fingers going from a fist to wide open and then hits all the strings with her palm to mute it. It really adds a percussiveness when plugged in. You'd swear there was a drum keeping the beat through the song."

I'd realy like to hear that ... any way to get that onto YouTube?
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FlySig
Posted 2009-09-06 6:09 PM (#399378 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps



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Alan, the best I can offer is Sara's Myspace at http://www.myspace.com/sarajaneymusic . I sure wish she'd put up her better recordings but she's too busy with boyfriends and social activities this summer.

Colors uses the finger sweep and palm strike to the strings. This is a mic recording so you don't get the good percussion.

On Strings she does the palm strike to the bridge.
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Slipkid
Posted 2009-09-06 6:13 PM (#399379 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps



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I can appreciate what some top thumping might add to a tune but for me, it just ain't natural.
I'm afraid I might just thump some braces right off the top.
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dweezil
Posted 2009-09-06 6:18 PM (#399380 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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Thats great (actually LOVELY singing) but it's not the percussive thang I'm talking about. That's just normal right hand rhythm stuff.

What I'm talking about is thumping/tapping/slapping/clipping/hitting the body AWAY from the strings.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-09-06 7:52 PM (#399381 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps
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You mean ... using your guitar like a bongo drum ???
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Joe Rotax
Posted 2009-09-06 7:58 PM (#399382 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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Originally posted by Gallerinski:
You mean ... using your guitar like a bongo drum ???
Yeah, I've never found that to be tremendously appealing but whatever... to each their own.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2009-09-06 8:28 PM (#399383 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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I've booked a bunch of those guys at my club lately. The audiences tend to like 'em. I'll be more impressed when they stop hitting the fuckin' thing and think about actually writing a decent song. There's a ton of them and most of them are one-trick-ponies who would be better served by employing a percussionist so they could concentrate on playing the guitar. It interests me for about 15 seconds. They can all go fuck themselves. Bunch of Wayne Kerrs
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-09-06 8:39 PM (#399384 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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Don't be speaking badly of Wayne.

But I agree.....
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Lightfoot
Posted 2009-09-06 8:41 PM (#399385 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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But how do you really feel about it Paul?

I find it like a wah-wah pedal. Use it on one song in the set. Then turn it off.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2009-09-06 8:44 PM (#399386 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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Yeah, except they don't use it for one song, it's the whole f*****' show. Bore-fest, let me know when it's over.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-09-06 8:46 PM (#399387 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps
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FlySig,

Sara will be a talent I'll follow! Ya don't know how much I appreciate her abilities and your support.

Now, just don't let her see Paul's profane post... <flame suit donned>

Paul, don't like 'em, don't book 'em. Oh, the customers like 'em? Kick 'em out also...
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2009-09-06 9:15 PM (#399388 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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Originally posted by 2ifbyC:


Paul, don't like 'em, don't book 'em. Oh, the customers like 'em? Kick 'em out also...
First of all, read the post. Personal taste does not enter my head when booking shows, it's about what fills the space, makes financial sense and entertains the crowd, not what entertains me personaly. Secondly, I've been promoting gigs for 30 years, when I need your advice I'll ask for it
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-09-06 9:29 PM (#399389 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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That wasn't Temp at his most profane. That was just polite conversation.

Iffers, don't take it personally and don't read more into it than what was there.....
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-09-06 9:54 PM (#399390 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps
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Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Personal taste does not enter my head when booking shows, it's about what fills the space, makes financial sense and entertains the crowd, not what entertains me personaly.
Obviously Paul! But why spew vulgarities upon the membership in an interesting and, more than likely, educational topic?

Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Secondly, I've been promoting gigs for 30 years, when I need your advice I'll ask for it
Read what I said. It was a statement, not advice!

If you want to continue this, let's take it off-line...


Moody,

Thanx! I realize exactly what this is... and it's not personal to me...
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-09-06 10:45 PM (#399391 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps
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GUITONGO (bongo style guitar playing)

I'd put it in the same category as rap. Some folks love it and others can't stand it.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-09-07 12:00 AM (#399392 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps



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Not sure why they just don't do it on banjos. It's got a drum head on it to start with, and it's only one vowel and one consonant away from being a bongo. And people wouldn't mind so much when you said you hated 'em.
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Miguel - BR
Posted 2009-09-07 7:43 AM (#399393 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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Playing a guitar as a percussive and rithmic instrument is a very old idea.
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dweezil
Posted 2009-09-07 7:57 AM (#399394 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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Great stuff. There is a huge variety of guitar percussiveness and I think writing it off in such a general manor is crazy.
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Miguel - BR
Posted 2009-09-07 8:03 AM (#399395 - in reply to #399375)
Subject: Re: Percussive taps


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I think that when we made the transition from acoustic to solid electric guitars, the natural percussiveness was lost, then guitar players stopped thinking about that.
Coming back, this time to electric acoustic, we start to find these lost things.
But I would like to point that old flamenco guitars had a "pick-guard" which, instead of protecting the guitar from picks, was supposed to protect it from the agressive tapping flamenco players used. Some danzas were played only on the guitar, so the player had to use it percussively to provide the rithym to the dancer.
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