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Location: Germany | Is there a steel-(6-)stringed Ovation model with contour bowl and 1 7/8 wide nut? Looked around in catalogs and website but could only find nylon stringed guitars with this specificaton. Thanks,
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Location: Michigan | This is pretty close, 1 3/4
http://www.ovationguitars.com/?fa=detail&mid=2302 |
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Location: Long Island | hey Charlie how much is the 1687-8? |
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Location: Germany | The 1687-8 is on hold for a potential buyer in Austria. I will let you know.
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Location: Munich, Germany | With the introduction of the LX-models neck sizes changed in all series:
2" necks as used on the older classics dissapeared and were replaced by 1 7/8 classics.
1 7/8 as used on the Country Artists and Pre-LX Folklores (and Josh Whites, FD14 a.s.o.) have been replaced by 1 3/4 necks
Seems the only way to get a modern guitar with old fashioned neck will be the custom way.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Koenig Kurt:
With the introduction of the LX-models neck sizes changed in all series: 2" necks as used on the older classics dissapeared and were replaced by 1 7/8 classics. 1 7/8 as used on the Country Artists and Pre-LX Folklores (and Josh Whites, FD14 a.s.o.) have been replaced by 1 3/4 necks I think it had to do with the bridge attachment. 1-11/16 and 1-3/4 width necks always shared the same bridge. 1-7/8 required a different bridge. with the advent of the new bridge attachment I think they wanted to standardize on one bridge for all 6 string steel guitars, so 1-7/8 became a thing of the past. But not sure why nylons changed.
I guess the bottom line is you can never find the ovation you would want in a store anyway so as ling as you are special ordering it, just order it with the size shape and color that you want. Custom is always best. |
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Location: Angoulême - France | Kurt and Dave are right Karl ! Definitively no steel string model available with 1 7/8 neck and the "problem" seems to be the bridge. But.... you could order a nylon 1 7/8'' 2073LX customised with a 10'' radiused fingerboard and a FD14 bracing ? Then you put a steel string compensated piezo and steel strings tuners and you've got a beautiful modern cutaway 12 cases LX cedar steel string guitar with a large 26 3/16'' scale length (careful about that with 1773LX to) and so : big and strong fine acoustic cedar sounding !!!??? That's what I really thought about... !!! Stop !!! Crazy Remy ! I'll do it one day !!!
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Location: Germany | Hi folks! Thanks for your input. I don't understand the bridge thing. I measured the bridge string span (from E to e) on four of my guitars (#47RI, OFC, 1682, 1689). Independent of the nut width the span is exactly the same (56 mm). They used the same type of bridge on these 1 11/16, 1 3/4 and 1 7/8 guitars. I don't really understand what the problem is.
Karl
PS. 'footprints', the 1687-8 is sold. |
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Location: Angoulême - France | I had this answer from the mothersip when I ordered a 1689 wide neck 1 7/8 OFC guitar... "not possible because the bridge"????
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Location: Angoulême - France | But you are right with measurements Karl... so I don't understand too now !!! |
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Location: Corvallis, OR | And to make things more difficult, even if you get a special order guitar with a wide neck, the model number inside does not indicate anything different. So, my recent special order 2080 has a wide 1 7/8 neck, but other than the word "Ovation" and the number 2080, the label is silent about the neck. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | This is probably a dumb idea, and someone will reply and tell me why, but wouldn't a cheap solution to the "I want a 1 7/8" steel sting ovation" be to buy a 12 string, take off 6 strings, and cut a new nut?
I know the intonation would probably be slightly out (but only ever so slightly) because the bridge holes would not match with the nut slots, but if you stay below the 12th fret this should work just peachy, shouldn't it? |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by TAFKAR:
This is probably a dumb idea, and someone will reply and tell me why, but wouldn't a cheap solution to the "I want a 1 7/8" steel sting ovation" be to buy a 12 string, take off 6 strings, and cut a new nut?
I know the intonation would probably be slightly out (but only ever so slightly) because the bridge holes would not match with the nut slots, but if you stay below the 12th fret this should work just peachy, shouldn't it? Funny you asked that question. Believe it or not, just last night I was playing my MEII 12-string and I thought to myself; "I wonder how it would play and sound if I took off all the "high" strings? Which lead me to think; I wonder if you could replace just the nut and saddle (and maybe the pickup) to convert it to a 6 string? You would have slight angles in the strings from the saddle to the bridge slots, but small notches in the saddle might keep them from slipping that tiny amount? (I wouldn't do that to my only 12 string, but it is an interesting concept…)
I know a 6 is not built to withstand the extra tension of 12 strings, but could you go the other way, and turn a 12 into a six? Excellent question TAFKAR, great minds think alike… |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by standing:
could you go the other way, and turn a 12 into a six? Someone in the past mentioned that the extra bracing in a 12er would diminish the 6 string configuration tonal capability. |
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Location: Corvallis, OR | Lots of people have "converted" a 12 into a 6 string guitar, and the results usually look like this; 1- the guitar does not sound as good as an equivalent 6 string, 2- the extra, unused tuners advertise what you have done, 3- the guitar does not "feel" like a six string guitar, because it is heavier and has a fatter profile on the neck.
On the other hand, if you have an extra 12 string just sitting around gathering dust,it is a great learning exercise to modify/adjust the nut and bridge.
I should point out that I always play a 1 7/8 neck, with the wider string spacing. But some people have trouble going back and forth, between a wide neck and a standard, narrower neck guitar. |
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Location: seattle | Originally posted by TAFKAR:
This is probably a dumb idea, and someone will reply and tell me why, but wouldn't a cheap solution to the "I want a 1 7/8" steel sting ovation" be to buy a 12 string, take off 6 strings, and cut a new nut? soundboard bracing would be different on a 12 - having said that I have seen it done successfully |
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Location: seattle | Funny you asked that question. .... I know a 6 is not built to withstand the extra tension of 12 strings, but could you go the other way, and turn a 12 into a six? [/QB] problem is the top would be OVER BRACED - and string tension would not be enough to move/vibrate the top |
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Location: seattle | isn't the shinny bowl twin to k1111 a 1 7/8th neck?? also, if you want a wide neck - the alvarez md350 is a great neck and a great sounding guitar (imho) |
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| Originally posted by TAFKAR:
This is probably a dumb idea, and someone will reply and tell me why, but wouldn't a cheap solution to the "I want a 1 7/8" steel sting ovation" be to buy a 12 string, take off 6 strings, and cut a new nut? Or you could buy my 1985 Folklore with a 1-7/8", 12 frets to the body, deep bowl and have an even better solution. |
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