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David Van
Posted 2011-02-19 11:24 PM (#355832)
Subject: need suggestions


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this picture is of the artwork one of my students did for me on my iDea and I need to know what kind of finish I should use for a clear coat to protect it. I am thinking about masking it and taking it to a body shop and having them shoot it while they are clear coating a car... any thoughts?
Thanks,
David :cool:
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2011-02-19 11:38 PM (#355833 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions



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I don't know anything about finishes... But that is real purdy!
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David Van
Posted 2011-02-19 11:52 PM (#355834 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions


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I agree! I thought it looked really boring and needed something ;-) Honestly tho, this is my favorite guitar in terms of how it plays. I even like it better than my LX Elite. It doesn't sound as good (at least unplugged) but I LOVE the way it feels in my hands and how it responds to me.
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muzza
Posted 2011-02-20 5:31 AM (#355835 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions



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Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
I don't know anything about finishes...
Yes Arfur We know...
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FlySig
Posted 2011-02-20 9:14 AM (#355836 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions



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I know enough about finishes to know that they aren't all compatible with everything. Is any of the original paint at the surface? What kind of paint did the student use for the artwork? Maybe the student can tell you what stuff to use.
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David Van
Posted 2011-02-20 11:35 AM (#355837 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions


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Nope, she doesn't know anything about finishes. The only paint she used is the green on the bouts and around the sound holes, the rest is pencil. I do know she attempted using acrylic paint on the bouts but it wouldn't adhere so she had to go to something else but I don't recall what. A week or two ago I posted here asking for info about what kind of finish was on the guitar before I gave it to her to work on, but got no replies. I know my LX Elite has a polyester finish and I suspect this does too but don't know. I have some high quality pour-on 2-part polyester resin here, but would rather have someone shoot a couple thin coats on it.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2011-02-20 2:04 PM (#355838 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions



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Rustoleum makes clearcoat in a spray can. If it was me, that's what I would use. you can probably find it at your local hardware or home improvement store.
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smokey
Posted 2011-02-20 3:16 PM (#355839 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions


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There are many clearcoat finishes in spray bombs, but I would think an acrylic would be the least likely to go bad as far as interaction with the existing finish.
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TlynnT
Posted 2011-02-21 10:35 PM (#355840 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions


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The green was a watercolor I used. I diluted it and it took right to the surface.
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TlynnT
Posted 2011-02-21 10:36 PM (#355841 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions


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I think I messed up a couple times tho :/
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Beal
Posted 2011-02-21 10:46 PM (#355842 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions



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A couple of things.

1. I hope you scuffed, as in sanded the whole top lightly before all that was done. That will help that and the clear coat stick.

2. Call the factory and ask them what you should use. 860-379-7575. My first thought is lacquer but that might not be the best for adhesion.

3. Kim and John are great about answering questions. Why don't people ask them? Instead they ask here and get a variety of answers that may or may not include the right one.
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fillhixx
Posted 2011-02-22 12:57 AM (#355843 - in reply to #355832)
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.......but if one waits patiently you get the right answer along with the entertainment.
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MWoody
Posted 2011-02-22 2:57 PM (#355844 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions



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I'm not a Luthier but I play one on the Internet...

Touch bases with Kim and John for sure. My guess is that multiple thin layers of an Acrylic Clear Coat will cover and protect as long as you are not trying to make a thick clear Gloss finish.
For the picking area use some of the clear plastic film that clings and is disposable.

Self Adhesive Mylar
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2011-02-22 2:59 PM (#355845 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions


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"the rest is pencil." This is actually the tricky part. Again, check with the pro's cause some applications will just soak-up/dissolve the pencil... and you don't want that happening.
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TlynnT
Posted 2011-02-22 9:12 PM (#355846 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions


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Hmmmm, I didn't think there were that many different kinds of clear finishes.
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AlanM
Posted 2011-02-22 10:26 PM (#355847 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions


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Interesting -- got a little trompe l'oeil going around the sound holes. An artistic job well done! I hope you have great success in finding a good finish for it.
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TlynnT
Posted 2011-02-22 11:14 PM (#355848 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions


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I hope to get better at it... this was my first time putting anything on the face of a guitar.
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David Van
Posted 2011-02-27 3:13 PM (#355849 - in reply to #355832)
Subject: Re: need suggestions


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I'll talk to Kim and John this week. Thanks for the contact! I am thinking maybe stabilize it with a spray of some kind and then do the pour-on polyester over it? I'll see what the experts think before I decide tho. Thanks for all your input! Much appreciated!
David
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