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Location: NW NJ | OK, I was there in New Hartford this year when Rick and Frank said that the VIP and OP-Pro are not interchangeable because the cans are different, BUT ...
I just got my 2080 from the factory and decided to test it myself. Popped the OP-Pro out of my 2 year old 6778LX and dropped it into the can in the 2080 - worked like a charm ... and the VIP worked fine in the 6778LX.
Speaking of the VIP - I have messed around with it for a couple of hours now which is certainly not an exhaustive test, but the models are pretty much worthless for me. Maybe if I were doing recording they'd be advantageous, but for live sound, I really like the full pickup sound. I did find some combinations of a blend between the models and the live pickup thet were OK, but the live pickup sound is really nice. The models, if you dial them in 100%, sound way too processed for my taste, although Brad is right that you can dial out any hint of the live piezo "quack". Any other opinions?
Makes me want to try out a OP-Studio preamp in the 2080. Anyone got one laying around that they would loan me for a few days to try out and see if it is worth pursuing buying one when they are available? :D |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | I'd be happy to, but at this moment I'm waiting for the mothership to get some in stock so they can send me my 12-string...
From what I've heard, the VIP and Studio can be swapped - I just haven't actually tried it myself. I know if I was looking for a 2080 though, I'd probably request one with the Studio instead of the VIP, just based on the overall reviews. Sometimes more is just more.
But then, I'm a simple guy... :D |
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Location: boulder | I swapped the op-pro (from ute) into my vip can, and it worked fine. I am not sure if --(this was awhile ago-like before yesterday-so it's hard to remember)--that the vip worked in my op pro can, but I thought as well that op-pro and op pro studio were interchangeable, but vip with them was not. :confused:
I like the VIP (set at 1/2 way-slightly less)because it cleans up my slopping playing. It does give different tones on different image settings. But I agree I like the full (unimaged) natural sound of both the 2006-koa and especially the adamas 2080. I am appreciating the VIP, the more I use it.......But needing a cord to be plugged in, just to tune sucks. I still haven't gotten over that, nor will I-seriously. The VIP is a great tool, no question. Is it worth it?? The second generation VIP's will answer that one (I hope)!
I haven't played through a op pro studio-but I would choose it over VIP for my humble needs.
Just my 2 cents, right here now, peace mike |
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Location: closely held secret | I don't have either a Studio or a VIP to play with. Wah.
Rick Hall said they're not swappable. Apparently reality is proving him mistaken.
Maybe they didn't want people swapping them around, as the VIP's are voiced for specific guitars (that's my theory).
Alls ah knows is whats ahs told. |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | I have been playing with my 2080 extensively trying to find sounds that work with my Magicstomp. Hated the Magicstomp until I heard it recorded last night testing out a new Tascam CDRW900 for church. Wow...the sounds were much better through the recording than I thought they were. The recordings actually sounded like some of the guitars I was trying to emulate.
As for the VIP, I too find that the best image setting is just under 1/2 way. It seems to work best in the first 3 settings, unless I want something real boomy then I go to the others, but generally it is set on the 2 or 3 (which if I remember right are emulations of the 2080 itself on different microphones).
I too like just the pure pickup, but the image used judiciously adds some warmth and fullness.
Amazing to me was this combination was the first time I have recorded something digitally that actually sounded like a mic'd acoustic guitar, so I was very pleased.
The 2080 is finally growing on me. Unplugged it still does not project as strongly as the midbowl 597, but I think that is the lack of treble holes. Guess it's time to get out the hole saw. |
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Location: NW NJ | Talk to bauerhillboy about drillin' holes in yer O :D |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | As it was explained to me the VIP has modes that are from several similar Ovations. The main thing is that they are recorded with different mics. I spent a day at Fishman's programming my 2080D (all 5 modes are that guitar, just different mics). There is a HUGE difference between mics. So you have your straight pickup sound and then blend in some of the SM57 sound, or the Neuman(sp) or some other mic.
In the old days people used to tell us they recorded their Ovations with a mic and direct to the board and then mixed the two for the record to get a fuller sound. That's exactally what this preamp is doing. The straight pickup is a good start and the modes give some extra breath to the sound, some more space. I like it. |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | So Jeff, I'm assuming you went MS Acoustic that was discussed a couple mos ago. I'm glad it's starting to work out for you. It sounds great thru my Bose, I like to add a little reverb from my mini mixer. Hope you can get some more of it straightened out. Good luck! :) Phil |
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Location: NJ | Night before last, I went to one of JohnB's gigs at a relatively quiet restaurant/bar setting. Both John and his partner both play Ovation's (albeit, Dave plays a Celeb) and I could hear a VERY distinct difference in that John's guitar was so much louder and more "natural".
Of course, I know that the 2080's gonna have much louder inherent sound on it's own, but the VIP thru the PA just filled the room with a very natural, acoustic guitar sound . . .
Makes me want one . . . damn! |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Yeah Phil....it took a while as the presets in the MS are pretty nasty sounding, but where I really discovered it's beauty was by NOT listening to myself through the PA speakers in my basement, rather by recording some of the presents. Then I found that it really can duplicate several types of guitar.
The software programming really allows you to go deep into the pedal, way more than my digitechs, even with very wild overdrives and crunch effects. I am surprised that those do not show up in any of the presets, yet they are there.
I am coming to love the auto-feedback eliminator too. I have had it really loud and feeding back on three frequencies, three taps of the button and all three freq's isolated. Pretty cool.
Oh...but this is about the 2080.
P.S. As soon as I sell my big system, I am going looking for a bose too. I want to scale back as my back can't handle the big speakers anymore, and I just don't do large venues anymore either. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Anything Bose is the way to go. I don't know if you've had a chance to play one, I absolutely LOVE the L1 system. At some point, I hope on picking up something along that line just because. Of course, if I had it, I might actually have to use it... |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | Kid you not, the bose isn't a bag of feathers, but it is a tidy package, that presents a lot of options. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Well said! |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Fishman is coming out with a version of the Bose pole in a few months. Should be much lighter weight. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Originally posted by cliff:
Night before last, I went to one of JohnB's gigs at a relatively quiet restaurant/bar setting. Both John and his partner both play Ovation's (albeit, Dave plays a Celeb) and I could hear a VERY distinct difference in that John's guitar was so much louder and more "natural".
Of course, I know that the 2080's gonna have much louder inherent sound on it's own, but the VIP thru the PA just filled the room with a very natural, acoustic guitar sound . . .
Makes me want one . . . damn! Another factor is that Dave insists on running his guitar through an electric guitar processor and drenching it in effects. It doesn't make for a natural sound at all, not to mention that it drives me up a wall! I prefer just a touch of reverb and maybe a little chorus on certain tunes, but that's about it. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | JohnB, sell him on a Boss AD3 acoustic processor - adds "just a touch of reverb and chorus." It'll satisfy the "effects" side, and won't drive you up the wall! ;) |
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2080 Preamp Swap?
