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FlySig
Posted 2014-07-28 5:17 PM (#490941)
Subject: Viper re-fret completed!



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This guitar needed a refret and a new nut. I learned a lot re-fretting an old acoustic first, and this Viper turned out really well. If anyone is thinking about doing this kind of project, you can do it but you'll spend a fair amount on tools and materials. I still have at least 2 other guitars to re-fret in the near future.

The frets had been filed low in the distant past, and now also had some wear in them. The wood showed a lot of wear.

 

I don't know if these were the original frets, but they were installed with hide glue.  It was a bit of work getting all the glue out.  Finally I resorted to using a fret slot saw.




There was a crack in the end grain.  I sanded it, then wicked thin cyanoacrylate glue into it, then sanded the excess.

 

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FlySig
Posted 2014-07-28 5:24 PM (#490942 - in reply to #490941)
Subject: Re: Viper re-fret completed!



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Location: Utah		The next step was to sand the entire fingerboard with progressively finer sandpaper using a radius block (a piece of wood with the correct radius). The ebony took on a mirror finish by the time I got to the fine polishing pads.



The frets were installed using slightly diluted carpenter's glue. I decided to not use CA glue because it might make future work more difficult, and I didn't use hide glue because of the shorter working time. Liquid hide glue might have been a good alternative but I didn't have any on hand. This picture is from the acoustic guitar I practiced on, showing a veterinary syringe being used to inject the glue into the slots.



Once all the frets are installed, the ends are nipped off and filed flush. The key to this step is to use the angled file to get the ends beveled all the way to the edge of the wood. If you don't bevel enough, the ends will never be flush with the edges of the wood.



Here's a look down the edges of the new frets after the job was completed.

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FlySig
Posted 2014-07-28 5:25 PM (#490943 - in reply to #490941)
Subject: Re: Viper re-fret completed!



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Location: Utah		All done!

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DanSavage
Posted 2014-07-29 12:40 AM (#490951 - in reply to #490941)
Subject: Re: Viper re-fret completed!



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Location: Pueblo West, CO		Nicely done.
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MWoody
Posted 2014-07-29 8:04 AM (#490957 - in reply to #490941)
Subject: Re: Viper re-fret completed!



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Location: Upper Left USA		Very nice!
It accentuates that Pickguard (show me your Woody) and guarantees a long life for that Viper!

And, you are right about the tools...
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FlySig
Posted 2014-07-29 9:51 AM (#490961 - in reply to #490941)
Subject: Re: Viper re-fret completed!



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Location: Utah		Thanks, guys. Tools are fun to buy, and the cost is less than paying someone else to refret a couple of guitars. The Viper was a lot easier to fret than the old acoustic, which had obsolete dimension fret slots. Yamaha did a great job of copying 1960's Martin products, including the oddball frets. Nobody makes fret wire with the thick .030" tangs any more. And, specs for fretwire are rather poorly defined. I'm an old parts engineer who used to write specs, and it was really frustrating trying to decipher fret specs from different manufacturers.

The new frets on this Viper are the same dimensions as on my Hamer Newport, and I really like this feel much better than low crown frets. The fret wire came from Stew-Mac, and it is rather soft. Getting the new frets to sit properly in the slots was fiddling. Hammering just a bit too hard will flatten it out and the ends pop up. Even when overly radiused by a lot it was a problem. The Yamaha was fretted using wire from AllParts,which was somewhat stiffer and easier to get properly seated. For my next project I'll try the gold Evo wire, with a hardness and stiffness halfway between regular fret wire and stainless steel. It supposedly seats perfectly without having to over-radius it.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2014-07-29 11:29 AM (#490965 - in reply to #490941)
Subject: Re: Viper re-fret completed!



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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR		Fine Work, and educational thread.
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DanSavage
Posted 2014-07-29 1:29 PM (#490969 - in reply to #490961)
Subject: Re: Viper re-fret completed!



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FlySig - 2014-07-29 7:51 AM

The new frets on this Viper are the same dimensions as on my Hamer Newport, and I really like this feel much better than low crown frets. The fret wire came from Stew-Mac, and it is rather soft. Getting the new frets to sit properly in the slots was fiddling. Hammering just a bit too hard will flatten it out and the ends pop up. Even when overly radiused by a lot it was a problem. The Yamaha was fretted using wire from AllParts,which was somewhat stiffer and easier to get properly seated. For my next project I'll try the gold Evo wire, with a hardness and stiffness halfway between regular fret wire and stainless steel. It supposedly seats perfectly without having to over-radius it.


Good info to know about fret wire. Thanks.

The problem with softer fret wire isn't limited to seating it, but also it will wear faster once it's installed which means it will need to be replaced sooner.
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marenostrum
Posted 2014-07-30 3:35 AM (#490983 - in reply to #490941)
Subject: Re: Viper re-fret completed!



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Location: Tuscany, Italy		Bravo. You guys make me feel adventurous to try doing repairs by myself....
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FlySig
Posted 2014-07-30 10:56 AM (#490990 - in reply to #490941)
Subject: Re: Viper re-fret completed!



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Location: Utah		Funny thing is that I had considered sending one of my O's back to the factory for a refret, but the announcement of the closing caused me to decide to do it myself.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2014-07-30 2:22 PM (#490995 - in reply to #490941)
Subject: Re: Viper re-fret completed!


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Location: Boise, Idaho		You guys make me feel guilty for not replacing the nut on my UKII yet. John Budny sent me a new one a couple months ago. I need to get busy.
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SOBeach
Posted 2014-07-31 12:24 PM (#491010 - in reply to #490941)
Subject: RE: Viper re-fret completed!


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FlySig -  All done!

 Nice job, looks great! 

 

 

Mark in Boise - I need to get busy.

 Slacker!  Better hurry up before they revoke your BFLG license!  

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Mark in Boise
Posted 2014-07-31 1:04 PM (#491012 - in reply to #491010)
Subject: RE: Viper re-fret completed!


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SOBeach - 2014-07-31 11:24 AM

FlySig -  All done!

 Nice job, looks great! 

 

 

Mark in Boise - I need to get busy.

 Slacker!  Better hurry up before they revoke your BFLG license!  



Even if they issued licenses, I couldn't have qualified. I've done very little beyond changing strings and when I do, it's always a challenge for me to just not make it worse than when I started.
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