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Location: Seymour, Tennessee | I am sure that this question has been asked and answered before but I've only been around for a few months soooooo.....When did the production of Shiny Bowls end? |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Shiny bowls were phased out in late 1968..By 1969 the textured bowls and the second generation bridges arrived.... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Sam, How did the change from shiny bowls and 5 point bridges coincide with the the change from inlaid to add-on rosette. I swear at some point I owned a shiny bowl, 5 point rosewood bridge which had the add-on rosette. Were there textured bowls with inlaid rosette and maybe the winged bridge. Dave |
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Location: Central Florida | Dave,
I currently own a circa '68 Deluxe Balladeer, and it has the shiny bowl, five-point bridge and what appears to be the "add-on" rosette. I've never seen the inlaid leaf-pattern rosette myself, but I would assume that it (being inlaid) would be flush with the wood. The one on my Deluxe is clearly raised. I know this doesn't really answer your question, but it does possibly confirm the existence of sixties era Ovations with the add-on, or raised rosette.
Jeff
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Jeff,
Your guitar sounds just like the one I once had. This would seem to confirm that the inlaid rosette was changed to add on rossette prior to the change to textured bowls.
Thanks, Dave |
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Location: SoCal | I've got a1970 catalog which states that the satin finish on the bowl is new as is the "new three dimenisional floral rosette".
Also, recently, CMT showed some episodes of the Glen Campbell Goodtime Hour which started in January 1969. In some of the episodes he's seen playing an Ovation with the 3-D rosette and a shinny back. Go figure. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Im very sure during the transition from shiny bowl to textured bowls that there must be some guitars with the newer raised rosette.Also, there is probably some mixed bridge combinations as well..Im sure ovation used up all old stock before they started with the new bridges... |
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Location: Scotland | Sam's right, transitions in production-line guitar manufacture can usually only be pinpointed to months or years rather than weeks or months. The serial numbers or available info may suggest otherwise but it's actually down to when stocks of parts ran out. The Fender pre/post CBS thing is a perfect example of this.
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Location: Seymour, Tennessee | Ok guys,
Maybe I'm showing my ignorance here but what exactly do you mean by "5-ponit bridge" and "add-on rosette" ?
As far as the 5-point bridge, I'm assuming you are referring to it's shape, kind of if you had a rectangle shape and put a triangle shape of the same width and about half the height on top of it and then inverted it?
I know the description sounds odd but I hope you know what I'm trying to get across.
The bridge on my 68 Deluxe Balladeer #A-970, is a light colored wood(I guess rosewood or walnut?), approx 6" across, approx 1 1/2" at it's highest point in the middle, and approx 3/4" at the sides.
The leaf pattern around the sound hole appears to be inlayed, it is flush with the top. It does not appear to be "stuck on" which is what I am assuming is meant by "add-on".
It has a very dark (ebony) fret board with single, round, pearloid inlays at the 3rd, 7th, 15th frets, single diamond, pearloid inlays at the 5th and 9th frets, and a single round inlay flanked by diamond inlays on each side at the 12th fret.
It has "Grover" stamped on the chrome machines.
The neck appears to be made up of five seperate pieces of wood in a, dark, light, dark(but subtley lighter than the outside pieces), light,and dark pattern.
It has a very dark, but not black, piece of wood for the top with the Ovation logo across the top and "Deluxe" written between the machine heads. Then, the nut cover is black and white plastic secured by three stainless-steel screws.
I'm not trying to sound ignorant here, I just want to be sure of what you guys are describing. Thanks for the info so far. I am really glad I found this site.
As an aside, one of my Dad's old friends has a 12 string Deluxe Balladeer that he bought a number of months before my Dad bought this A-970. It was this 12 string that actually what made my dad buy an Ovation.I've already told him I've got dibs on it if he ever considers selling it. |
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Location: Pittsburgh PA | Michael,
Regarding the shiny bowl question. I was watching a video tape the other day of McCartney during his 1976 world tour. For the accoustic sets, he and his band used Ovations during that tour. It looked like the Ovation 6-string he played Yesterday on was a shiny bowl to me. Other posts say the shiny bowl went away in 1968-69. Either Paul was playing an older Ovation, or the stage lights just made the bowl look shiny.
--Mike Z. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Michael
the 5 point bridge has 5 sides and corners. If your bridge is all straight sides, you got one of these. If the rosset is flush (like yours is) then it's not the add on. They're raised up above the surface.
the bridge could be rosewood or walnut. The neck is mahogony with three center pieces of maple.
It is a Deluxe Balladeer, cause it says so and they had grovers |
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Location: Seymour, Tennessee | Many Thanks for the info Dubyatoo and every body else who replied, much appreciated. |
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