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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1089 Location: Yokohama, Japan | Love O Fair - 2025-05-30 2:21 PM ...To further this evening's posts on self-degradation-- my parents could never afford to send me to hack school.. so your short cuts are extremely valuable as learning tools to those of us who are sub-hack and wish to one day graduate upward to master hack (or would that be to graduate downward? Not sure.) And also assuming that to be the reason this forum is named what it is and why I was ever drawn to it. Well Al, you're just taking self-degradation to the BFLG extreme! LOL! While you were graduating downward, I've been sanding the back of this 1115's neck with 600 grit sand paper. Per your suggestion, I tried to push the head stock to try to widen the crack in the back, but the crack didn't budge at all. After sanding really slowly it looks like the crack is just about gone. I've sanded about an eighth of a millimeter off of the neck in that area. I don't think that's enough to compromise the neck's structural integrity so I think all I'll need to do is finish the back of the neck! Cool! Meanwhile, it made sense to repair the gouge in the bridge while I was working in the vicinity. Although the worst of the gouge was remedied with the installation of the CFRP pseudo tail-piece there was a bit of exposed gouge that remained and I needed to try to match the cosmetics of the center bolt used to position the JLD Bridge Doctor with the existing bridge bolts. To fill the gouge in the bridge, I mixed wood saw dust into Hysol 0151. Unlike the walnut bridges featured on other Os, this Pacemaker's bridge is rosewood with deep beautiful grain featuring black, brown and red highlights; Since my existing rosewood saw dust came from a rather bland piece of rosewood, I decided to mix Koa, Mesquite and African Black Wood. The saw dust is pretty light in color when it is dry, but when it's mixed into clear glue, it darkens a whole bunch. Color matching is a practical impossibility, and all one can hope for is some semblance of the original coloration. Once the 0151 and the saw dust was mixed more Mesquite and African Black Wood was added. Here's what the glue looked like after mixing... Kind of like a custom wood putty. Had some 6.5mm diameter mother of toilet seat dots, so I super glued one onto the top of the center bridge bolt and applied the 0151 wood putty into the bridge gouge and around the dot inlay. Hysol 0151 requires 72 hours for curing and it stays pretty sticky for much of the cure time so I had to wait before shaping the dot inlay and cutting away the excess flashing around the gouge. After the glue cured, it was easy to chisel and sand everything flush. The result is that the center bolt's head is visible under the inlay dot just like the other two dot inlays (only difference is the "+" head rather than the "-" head of the other two) making the whole bridge area look like it's endured normal wear and tear. The gouge is filled really nicely to the point of being unnoticeable (although noticeable in the pic) too. Finally, I used some WATCO Oil to apply a light finish. One final thing for this session; As I was wet sanding the entire top with 400-grit sand paper, I noticed that the finish that was gouged when I gouged the bridge had disappeared! Also gone was the routing groove that was left by my Dremmel when I routed the back of the saddle off. The finish gouge and the routing groove were much shallower than I had thought! That means instead of spraying a thin new layer of polyurethane, I can just wet sand, polish and buff the current finish and it should be as good as new! Thinning down these thick poly finishes might even help the sound board respond better (although I doubt my ears would be able to tell the difference)! Feeling like I'm making my move up (maybe down?) from "regular" hack to "master" hack! Lol! Really happy with the results so far; and getting real close to the finish! Woohoo! Thanks for the encouragement and for letting me share OFC/BFLG! | ||
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1859 Location: When?? | Yay Ken! Excellent move with the master hackster's special formula sawdust mix on the bridge gouge.. looks great! Not all that long ago I needed a custom tile grout color (light purple shade), so I essentially did the same thing using the glaze surface of prospective-colored tiles on a fine wheel grinder for dust, then coaxed it all into plain white grout. Turned out perfect, and likely stronger. Your custom bridge tailpiece looks like it's right out of this month's issue of Popular Mechanic's, so a great move on that as well. I actually used a magnifying glass to inspect the close details of the neck crack, and it kind of looks like it could have been a direct impact 'shatter' crack instead of a stress fissure from a headstock bumping; hence, not opening up by using tweak pressure. And then came the final crescendo when I was thinking maybe the disappearing scratches on the top could have been a divine gift from above for leading such a kind and fair life. Meaning that you may have the rest of us fooled with the hack thing, but you cannot fool the Big Guy! | ||
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1089 Location: Yokohama, Japan | Love O Fair - 2025-06-08 4:25 PM Yay Ken! Excellent move with the master hackster's special formula sawdust mix on the bridge gouge.. looks great! Not all that long ago I needed a custom tile grout color (light purple shade), so I essentially did the same thing using the glaze surface of prospective-colored tiles on a fine wheel grinder for dust, then coaxed it all into plain white grout. Turned out perfect, and likely stronger. Your custom bridge tailpiece looks like it's right out of this month's issue of Popular Mechanic's, so a great move on that as well. I actually used a magnifying glass to inspect the close details of the neck crack, and it kind of looks like it could have been a direct impact 'shatter' crack instead of a stress fissure from a headstock bumping; hence, not opening up by using tweak pressure. And then came the final crescendo when I was thinking maybe the disappearing scratches on the top could have been a divine gift from above for leading such a kind and fair life. Meaning that you may have the rest of us fooled with the hack thing, but you cannot fool the Big Guy! LOL, Thanks Al! I used to tinker with tiling a bit myself, but I never used any thing other than regular grout. I mean, grout is grout, right? I didn't even know they came in different colors! Mix grout to customize colors? Very cool! And Yes, the Big Guy is "un-fool-able" and I wish the disappearing hairline crack was a "divine gift from above!" Alas, it was not to be! Let me explain in this episode of "TO REINFORCE OR NOT REINFORCE. THAT IS THE QUESTION!" So... sanding down the poly finish off the neck was a bear of a job. I tried heating the poly (like when I ironed the poly finish off my 1868 way back when), scraping, and filing. Tried a drill sander too - all of them too powerful. Sand paper was too whimpy, but I didn't want to take chunks out of the neck so whimpy was the only way forward (with some help from my Dremel sanding sponge). Oh, and chemicals were out of the question because I didn't want to save my 1115 only to murder one of our dogs who taste tests everything that moves or smells. Away I went, sanding and sanding. This was one of those "Gosh, how boring and messy can guitar hackery get!" moment after moment after moment... and after many of these moments, the poly finish was finally off the neck! YES! However, (as seen by the glue line where the crack used to be) with each passing sanding session, I pushed down on the head stock just to make sure the crack was really gone - call it doubt, faithlessness, heck maybe I should change my name to Thomas - but after a while, the crack re-appeared! Being "the cup is half full" kinda guy, I thought "this is probably a blessing in disguise" and some high viscous CA glue will fix this neck crack forever. Applied the glue and pushed the headstock up and down just a bit, and sure enough, the glue just wicked in there really nicely as would be expected. So here's how the crack looks now. The glue is holding and the crack is not growing. Just as a comparison, my 1868, 1612, a Celebrity, Aria, and Yamaha necks were pushed down at the head stock. As suspected, this 1115 neck moves more than all the others. Weird! Not sure if the wood softened over time, the truss-rod issue weakened the neck/headstock area over time, or if the original design of the 12-string slot head head stock was questionable, but the head stock movement is quite significant when compared to the others (unfortunately no other 12-string slot head to compare with in my fold). With this in mind, I was hoping the BFLG will help to provide some advice, direction, comments as to reinforcing this neck. Does it need to be reinforced? If so, carbon fiber? African Black Wood? Birch/Maple? BTW, the CFRP reinforcement that I installed to help the neck from twisting is not going to help strengthen this cracked area at all. Your input would be most highly appreciated! Or will the CA glue repair be sufficient? In either case, once this issue is resolved I'm onto the neck finish and final polishing and buffing to take this 1115 past the finish line! Your help would be most appreciated! Thanks BFLG! | ||
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Joined: November 2002 Posts: 3650 Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Well, it may boil down to a leap of faith. Finish the neck, as-is, and SLOWLY restring the critter. If you see the crack opening up, STOP. Proceed with the added reinforcement scenario. So, in that regard, would you use some of your aforementioned materials (carbon fiber, maple, etc.) alongside the current lamination, or rout the current stripes where the fissure resides? | ||
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1089 Location: Yokohama, Japan | Thanks for the quick response seesquare! That's kind of the scenario I was thinking. Not sure if an extreme solution like CFRP is necessary if the crack does open up... maybe route the center strip and 9462 one Birch piece or route along each side of the center strip and use two birch strips? Then again, if it does open back up do you think the neck/headstock needs to be stiffened for longevity? If that's the case then two longer strip of CFRP? Hmmm... decisions, decisions! | ||
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1859 Location: When?? | >>>BTW, the CFRP reinforcement that I installed to help the neck from twisting is not going to help strengthen this cracked area at all.<<< Roger that, since the strips didn't reach far enough up. However.. and this is merely a hypothetical piece of hindsight.. or maybe I'm just looking to waist some ink here.. but.. If you had extended the CFRP strips beyond the nut, and all the way into the headstock zone (say somewhere slightly beyond the TRC screw holes), then notched the bottom of the nut to fit over the CFRP strips, and relocated the TRC screw holes farther up, do you suppose some CA/epoxy/whatever glue on the end tips of the CFRP would have been sufficient to keep the crack from further opening? | ||
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1089 Location: Yokohama, Japan | Love O Fair - 2025-07-13 9:16 AM If you had extended the CFRP strips beyond the nut, and all the way into the headstock zone (say somewhere slightly beyond the TRC screw holes), then notched the bottom of the nut to fit over the CFRP strips, and relocated the TRC screw holes farther up, do you suppose some CA/epoxy/whatever glue on the end tips of the CFRP would have been sufficient to keep the crack from further opening? Not really sure, Al. If I extended the CFRP strip that far it would have been difficult to install it without cutting through the headstock faceplate veneer. The strip would most likely need to be wider to provide that kind of strength requiring me to cut the CFRP slot deeper into the neck risking a neck fracture while cutting the slot. Figured it would have been less risky and more effective to install reinforcement from the volute side of the neck. However, I took seesquares' advice and proceeded to apply the poly finish without reinforcing the neck for now... First, the entire back of the neck was sanded with 240 grit sand paper; and the neck was cleaned with naphtha before proceeding with the finish. Waited 30 minutes to start the finishing process using a single component (as opposed to 2-component like Dan's goto Eastwood 2K finish) oil based polyurethane spray finish that is popular among furniture makers in Japan. After practicing on some flat pine boards, I begin to apply the finish without any primer or sealer coat as recommended on the rattle can. Unlike the nitro used on my 1868 this rattle can poly finish went on horribly AND unlike my practice board, the paint bubbled up like soda on my neck as it was being applied (it even sounded like soda as it gets poured into a glass). Maybe reacting with the naphtha? Naw, I waited long enough to make sure the naphtha evaporated. The bubbles disappeared as the paint began to settle, but the paint went on quite unevenly. Thought maybe the rattle can was defective so opened a new one, but no difference.
You can see some bubbling on the lower left side of the neck above. The rattle can directions say two coats is enough, but the paint went on so unevenly, I used both cans and ended up applying 4 coats. The directions also said the paint cures fully in 4 hours in temperatures over 20 degrees. The neck was left to dry for 8 hours in a room at 27 degrees, but it did not dry completely. Waited 24 hours before starting the challenging process of leveling off the finish. After a lot of elbow grease this was the best I could do with the neck. Really dissappointed with this polyurethane finishing product. In Japan, rattle can nitro and rattle can poly finishes are not created equally! While I'll never use this product for finishing again, the issue is merely cosmetic and won't affect this 1115's sound or playability so it was time to remove all the masking tape and polish and buff the entire guitar. Poly cures harder than nitro so the polishing and buffing processes take much more time. Lose patience and it's really easy to burn right through the finish so progress was slow until... I bought some D'Addario EJ41s (PB extra lights) to finish this project, but they were no where to be found under heaps of junk in my project room so strung up the 1115 with some 80/20 extra lights that were sitting around. For now, the hairline crack in the volute area of the neck is holding... After stringing her up the final touch was applying the TR Cover courtesy of David Witko who sold me two Legend TR Covers on FB. This one needed to be worked just a bit for a nice fit (the lower screw hole areas in the cover are slightly visible at the bottom), but no need to make a dimple to cover the previously protruding TR!
YES! Not perfect, but relatively clean and the TR cover stays on with one screw. Cool! Oh, BTW, if anybody wants a Legend TR Cover, I've got an extra one. I'll be glad to mail it (free) to whom ever - if it helps. Just PM me, and I'll put it in the mail. So in its current condition, the string height at the 12th fret is 2.1mm for the eE (6th) strings and 1.8mm for the ee (1st) strings with no buzzing! AWESOME (I might need to add one more shim under the saddle)! So before closing this thread down, I'm gonna leave this 1115 tuned to concert pitch (well actually 432 Hz) and make sure everything is stable over the next couple of days. Of primary concern of course is the neck crack and the CFRP re-worked bridge... stay together... please stay together... okay, time to catch some Z's! Thanks for letting me share OFC/BFLG! Oyasumi nasai! Edited by arumako 2025-07-20 9:42 AM | ||
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1859 Location: When?? | @Ken -- >>>Not really sure, Al. If I extended the CFRP strip that far.....<<< Yep.. and since I was assessing the idea based solely on your photos instead of actually picking up one of my own Ovations for comparison, I can now see the correct headstock angle relative to the fingerboard and/or the depth of the neck channels you made. The extended carbon tips would have protruded into thin air like a jet launching off the end of a carrier deck. And speaking of military operations.. it seems as if this whole project could be termed as a series of battles in a very unpredictable war. Every maneuver fought to bring the enemy into cornered position was countered by outer flank swings back into the objective’s forward offensive. Operation Truss Rod, alone, saw numerous casualties, many quite serious, and required expert strategy to achieve a victorious outcome. Accolade is also due in the matter of cutting trenches across potential enemy lines to secure future stability in the region as provided under the CFRP Act of 2025. Digressing in order of earlier deployment elements-- leveling of creek fissures across the upper highlands provided a smooth landing surface for ongoing resonance projection; while covert operations delving deep into central jungles displayed masterful ingenuity and leadership under conditions of uncertain outcome; particularly during the now-famous Block and Heel expedition, concluding with successful recovery efforts. As well, the southern sector has been greatly enhanced by fortifying bridge placements which had seen prior sabotage from unknown forces during earlier battle. Final aerial applications, while precarious and exploratory, have also proved exemplary to specified requirements. It is with profound praise in these mentioned endeavors that I hereby submit this testimony forward to Battalion Headquarters, and with recommendation of award in manner of the Distinguished Charlie Cross upon Colonel Arumako for his brave, diligent and meritorious actions above and beyond the call of duty. --signed in witness hereof, Private First Class Love O Fair - Central OFC Army, BFLG Division. | ||
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1089 Location: Yokohama, Japan | Love O Fair - 2025-07-20 2:04 PM ...And speaking of military operations.. it seems as if this whole project could be termed as a series of battles in a very unpredictable war. Every maneuver fought to bring the enemy into cornered position was countered by outer flank swings back into the objective’s forward offensive. Operation Truss Rod, alone, saw numerous casualties, many quite serious, and required expert strategy to achieve a victorious outcome. Accolade is also due in the matter of cutting trenches across potential enemy lines to secure future stability in the region as provided under the CFRP Act of 2025... --signed in witness hereof, Private First Class Love O Fair - Central OFC Army, BFLG Division. Wait a minute... this doesn't sound like 'humble Mr. Harding' Al? Nor does it sound like 'over confident' or 'asinine' Al that I read about in another thread. This must be Gary Owen (Military Comedian) Al (I grew up an Army brat)! I sure do appreciate your metaphor rich post though! This 1115 did throw all kinds of unexpected curve balls (battles?) my way! If I'm reading your militarized version correctly, I feel I've gotta confess that the bridge placements which had seen "prior sabotage from unknown forces" was actually self-inflicted! Nonetheless, I accept the Distinguished Charlie Cross! Lol! All joking aside, OFC/BFLG advice and encouragement got me to the finish line and the 1115 is still holding together at this point despite some rigorous playing! Planning on writing up a summary assessment this weekend - a full week after final setup and string up! So far, so good! Edited by arumako 2025-07-21 9:33 PM | ||
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1859 Location: When?? | @Ken -- >>>"prior sabotage from unknown forces" was actually self-inflicted!<<< You’re right, and I stand corrected with an apology. Our neck unit up north was fretting out a very loud and deafening buzz from the 7th parallel that day, and I miss-heard what was coming over the transmit from your southern position. After conferring with others, what I thought I heard as “sabotage” was actually someone else in the unit saying “black wood” for a “lodge”. Apparently from when you were devising and cementing down extended cover for your 12-man string squad so they could dig in along the lower fringe of the bridge-- which is even more commendable. So the DCC award still proudly applies, as it should. | ||
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