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Location: Asheville, North Carolina | Yes well played Sam, keyword-played...And your point was that any guitar can develop problems and that's what warranties are for. (But I think that technopiker was making the point that these guitars didn't leave the factory this way and were not seconds, which is what this topic was suppose to be about.) You were implying that the guitars got through Martins devote quality control department. Of which if you have ever taken the tour you would realize each guitar goes through several different inspections by several different employees. They spend as much time inspecting their guitars as they do on some of the build phases! Then they are stored a week or so an reinspected and readjusted. These guitars you spoke of developed a finish problem while in the hands of a dealer (which he stated)or purchaser and were of course covered under Martins top notch warranty. The dealer choose not to send them back for repair and sold them at what actually seems like the normal street price for this model. So the problem is apparently not of any extreme.
But I reiterate what someone said previously CF Martin does not sell factory seconds...do problems develop, sure they are put together by hands and glue. And subject to their environment. That's why we have lifetime warranties on great guitars. It reminds me of the period when the Martin headstock got slightly rounded due to the jig changing and no one noticed for a year or so...
So don't everyone get their feathers ruffled...and go play the damn thing! :D |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | Very interesting. Seems Martin fans are almost as sensitive as Ovation fans. |
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Location: NJ | Even MORE so . . .
. . they're more susceptible to temp & humidity.
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Location: Asheville, North Carolina | Hey, I keep em both side by side and equally stable in my book. But to address your puns my Ovation is a bit more sensitive to humidity because the bowl doesn't change with the top as a whole unit. Different beasts for sure in every aspect. Tradition vs Technology...Love them both though! Right back at ya ;) |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Sixfingers, you make some very good points and i agree that the Martin finish problem did not leave the factory with the finish problem,but if the laquer,toner,etc. had a reaction a month or two later due to a bad batch of chymicals then Martin should fix it and it is a martin problem not the problem of the dealer who has the guitar in his store.
But here is the one main thing that you wrote above that bugs me..
If Martins quality control is so good and they inspect and reinspect,then they hold the guitars for weeks and then reinspect again and they spend as much time inspecting them as they do building them then why did it take a whole year for Martin to realize that the headstocks were rounding off??
Would that be a factory second .After all its not to the Martin specs or their high quality standards?I have a D45 from the 80's and it has the rounded off headstock,it is pretty noticable.Someone should have picked up on that,RIGHT??
Anyway,im tired of beating this dead horse.I enjoy both my Martins and my Ovations flawes and all... |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by cliff:
Even MORE so . . .
. . they're more susceptible to temp & humidity.
;)
Now I remember why I'm not supposed to be reading tihs from work. Thanks for triggering a spit-take, cliff! :D |
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Location: Asheville, North Carolina | Come on Samova...wasn't that exactly why I mentioned it. Things do happen...I was on your side man! Not looking for a pissin match. But that was many many years ago....and wasn't really a defect, just a gradual astetic change that even the customers didn't notice. I think it's funny actually. As for finish problem...when a manufacter gets a bad batch of chemicals they have no way of knowing till after the fact.
this is a dead subject lets move on folks! |
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Location: Midland, MI | I got a bad batch of 'chemicals' once...er, wait, nevermind.
(Let it go...) |
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Location: Central FL | Ha! Cruster, your pretty funny....I think those chemicals are still runnin around...in there, somewhere...um havin flashback shrum dude. ;) its falling, falling ...gone |
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