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Location: Tampa, FL | Not naive, just very aware of what I can change and I typically try to stay away from windmills. |
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Location: closely held secret | Sancho would be ashamed of you. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Chatman, I respectfully submit that you may be misunderstanding the objective here. If someone is being lied to for the sake of profit and some one points that out, I hardly think that's being bent on fixing the world. If you would like my opinion on that, I would suggest that you ask a better question than what's been asked here and we get a different forum. I've got plenty to say.
Here, I'm not changing the world as much as fixing the little bit in front of my face when the opportunity arises. If more did that, the world would take care of itself. But, if you like it the way it is, don't complain when your Mom, wife or kids get screwed by the unscrupulous. They'll be weeded out soon enough. Just not by you. |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Standingovation:
That's a tough question. I hate it when people come off as know-it-alls and offer me unsolicited advice. Did I friggin ask? But that's only because I myself am a know-it-all (yeah, you're all shocked). Pisses me off that someone would think they are a better know-it-all that I am. They're not. They think they are, but I know better. To paraphrase:
People who think they know it all really piss off those of us who do.
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Location: Vernon, CT | Someone who thinks they know everything could be referred to as a "Sexual Intellectual" which is more commonly known as a "Fvckin' Know-It All!" : )
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Location: Midland, MI | My kids think I know everything. Probably because I tell them I do. And I tend to find out about things they do and say from other sources and then ask them embarrasing questions at opportune moments.
My oldest son (the 15 year old) tends to avoid answers now. One time he told me, 'I don't really need to answer you, because I know you don't ask questions you don't already know the answers to.' I laughed so hard, I forgot what we were talking about. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | My experience at GC has been not that the salespeople are misleading, just a little unknowledgeable about Ovations. If I get involved, it is when the salespeople cannot answer the customer's questions on the subject of Ovations.
My last instance was 3 weeks ago, when an interested customer asked about Adamas, and the salesdroid at GC didn't even know what Adamas guitars are. I educated the customer about them (he was happy to talk to an Adamas owner) and told him where he could see a couple locally. Unfortunately, it sure wasn't at our local GC!!!!!!
I would not disturb any usual sales pitch, and get involved only if I can help with some Ovation knowledge.
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Location: SoCal | at least at my local GC (La Mesa, next to San Diego), some of the staff get up to NAMM each year.
they get excited about the guitars but don't have any in stock to sell.
last year, it took seven months for this store to get the 30th Anniv CL, at least 5 months to get the LX in. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | I have joined in many conversations about Ovations at my local music store. In fact I was there once and one of the employees there said, "ask Paul if you want to know about an Ovation". Then know how much I love Ovation guitars, and I talk about them to anyone there who will listen. :) |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Well, Maybe I should clarify my feelings again. I'll interject my thoughts. Not necessarily int errupt someone in the middle of there Sales Pitch. But I Do use every opportunity to sing the praises of Ovation.I've done this at two different music stores in Cary NC, and at the Guitar Center and Sam Ash In Raliegh. I've actually done it here at the two main dealers in Fayetteville One used to be an Ovation Dealer and they no longer carry the product. The other dealer never carried them but they know how I feel and how passionate I am about Ovations.
There's nothing wrong with that..who knows it might actually win over some new Converts! :) |
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Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | Having the longest tenure at my place of emplyoment, (26 yrs, The current owner only has 21 yrs) I find myself biting my tongue EVERY day... even with the owner, but I pick those battles VERY carefully...
It depends on the severity of the error or "misinformation" being spewed...
We have a code word, that is used just for such infractinous behavior...
The code word is "Jeannie Beans" which basicly applies to ANY situation were it is understood, that:
"you better follow my lead cuz you just stepped in something and didn't realize it..."
Normally it is politely used to pull someone away in the middle of a sales pitch, where a safe distance away from the customer, the error is pointed out and the salesman is left to recover, as best he can, on his own and still save some type of face, albeit slighlty rosey red from embarrasment...
AB
PS
I HATE it when an unincluded customer buds into my sales pitch... Mine (sales pitch) is tempered with 40 years of experiance, so it is well documented...
I look on it as a violation and just plain RUDE !!! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I do try to keep in mind that while I'm out for recreation the Sales Staff is still trying to make a living!
I will engage in the conversation of the shoppers and not directly challenge the salesman. Most Instrument sales I have watched the Salesman gives very little info and usually leaves the Customer alone to ponder or make a choice. This is the moment that I have the right to remain silent, but none of the ability!
This moment is fair game!
It is then for the Customer to consider if I am full of beans or have some good points. The clincher in most scenarios is when the Customer actually plays or hears played the instrument.
Then, all smoke and cloaks aside, the instrument takes the stand and gives its own testimony! |
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Location: closely held secret | I agree, interrupting sales staff with customers would be rude (unless they are being less than truthful). Like going into a Ford dealership and busting into a conversation with, "Hey! You don't want this POS! You want a (insert your opinion here)".
Every time I go into GC, I head straight for the acoustic room, grab the purtiest O on the wall and start pickin' discreetly, appearing to be oblivious to all around me. I try to do it between the acoustic room door and the quiet (read: "Taylor") room.
Usually heads turn - trust me, it ain't my playing that gets their attention. |
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