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Location: SoCal | A 60,000 mile service that will cost me at least $1,400 due to a failed ABS. Dealer says not common, web traffic says commonly failing, NO RECALL or advisory per dealer, service rep couldn't understand why I want part, one day service is now three days, etc.
Web comment by an individual that his ABS failed four times in 85,000 miles. ???? |
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Location: Houston, Texas | I chased ABS problems on an early 90's Lincoln for about 6 months, before I finally found the right information on the web that enabled me to find the defective part. Turned out to be an intermittant wheel speed sensor. $70.
Then during the heat of the summer I had problems with the front disc brake calipers sticking and not releasing when the brake pedal was released. Rebuilt calipers cost about $175.
What kind of car? |
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Location: SoCal | 1998 Mustang GT
print of a company on web: We can now rebuild Bosch ABS pumps and control modules. The modules are commonly failing with no communications with diagnostic equipment or 'red herring' wheel speed sensor fault codes (the actual sensor and wiring is ok, the problem lkies within the actual control module). www.bba-reman.com
I definitely will submit to the NHTSA and Ford, at least for statistics. |
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Location: big island | tony,
hmmm...ya still got an extra UTE to sell? that would cover the $1400.00. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Last year I spent $600 getting the mass air flow sensor replaced on the Boxster. Dealer said it couldn't be cleaned or fixed. A couple days later I talked to my fellow Ovation ownerin the office (how's that for bringing on topic) who told me they said the same thing about his Toyota, but he sprayed contact cleaner on it and it has been fine for a year. The average warranty cost for BMW last year was the highest in the industry at $3000 per car per year and they keep adding more electronic doodads that break down. ABS, stability control, traction control and all that stuff is great, but it is a computer replacement for good driving skills and computers require maintenance, often by replacing parts.
I had some "good" news on the car finances front this week. The car I bought for my daughter at Christmas from a dealer who was shut down a week later and now is a convicted felon has a title. Unfortunately, it may not be a clear title, but I should get a title. The car was stolen, but I won't have to give it back. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I'm not a fan of ABS and have avoided vehicles with it. |
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Location: Reno, NV | Thats works... If you dont mind driving a 15 year old vehicle. |
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| I have always thought ABS was for people who never learned how to drive defensively. Older cars and trucks are becoming very popular now creating a huge market, regardless of gas mileage.
Kind of like vintage guitars, they might not be as fancy but they play better.. :) |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Yak:
Thats works... If you dont mind driving a 15 year old vehicle. I don't drive a 15 year old vehicle. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
I'm not a fan of ABS and have avoided vehicles with it. I had a '93 Lincoln Continental. What a peice of junk. Now, I'm not a fan of Fords and have avoided them ever since.
There's good reason why Ford is losing BILLIONS each year. |
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Location: NJ | I had a problem with the ABS and Traction Control about two weeks ago. I suspect it was temperature-related as it started just when the temperature got bitter cold and just "went away" a couple days later . . . |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | .... persistent 'Dead' fans get stuck in the sensors easily. |
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Location: Houston, Texas | I've always used regular brake cleaner on the MAF probes and have seen improvement in performance afterwards.
The '92 Lincoln ABS wheel sensor probes should read 1100 ohms, plus or minus 300 ohms. At a wheel speed of 1 rev/sec, they should generate an AC voltage of 0.15 to 0.70 volts AC.
The clearance between the sensor and the wheel should be 0.7mm for the fronts and 1.1mm for the rears.
In my case, one of the sensors only read about 100 ohms so it was an easy replacement. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Originally posted by Steve:
I have always thought ABS was for people who never learned how to drive defensively. Older cars and trucks are becoming very popular now creating a huge market, regardless of gas mileage.
Kind of like vintage guitars, they might not be as fancy but they play better.. :) Old cars are NOT like vintage guitars. Modern cars are better, safer, cleaner, and (if you stay away from Fords) more reliable. A new re-issue Strat, Adamas, etc. is supposed to be the same as the original. New cars have vastly improved engines, tranmissions, suspensions, electronics, safety equipment. ABS can save your life. It is not for dirvers who don't know how to drive defensively. It's designed to help the driver maintain control of the car in an ergency, panic stop situation and is recommended by EVERY auto or consumer magazine. You also get a reduction on your insurance rates for ABS. The vast majority of ABS systems are highly reliable and require no maintenance. However, if you own an old Ford . . . |
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Location: SoCal | It's a great car, power, well balanced, top down almost every day of the year...strange things happen. It was the attitude of the service rep when I asked for documentation and the original part that upset me. As if I had impugned him and the dealer. I had already told him that my concern was with the manufacturer (both as a cost and safety issue). Even then he starts into why I would think they would substitute a bad part to do a non-needed repair. Never had a problem with a rep they had with 43 years service (until he retired). Or the rep that preceeded this one. I was a Senior Arbitrator for the BBB, worked a number of cases for Ford, Porsche, etc. Cars have problems, customers have concerns...things work out. Attitude equals suspicion, suspicion loses customer. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Mitchrx It is not for dirvers who don't know how to drive defensively Say more about this statement, please. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I suspect that he meant it wasn't just for drivers who don't know how to drive defensively. ABS will almost always stop a car in a shorter distance than non ABS. It also allows some directional control. Even the best, most defensive drivers could not maintain threshold braking to stop as well as ABS. It's too difficult to avoid stomping on the brake if a kid or deer darts out in front of your car.
By the way, Tony, I think you're spot on about attitude. It's tough to find a good service rep these days. They have a technician that talks to the customer and the mechanic, but the mechanic never talks to the customer and their insurance won't let the customer go back into the shop to look at the car. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Thanks Mark for clearing that up on my behalf.
Car dealerships are the most expensive way to service a car. Anyone can find a private mechanic who knows the car just as well, or better, than the dealer (particularly the older models),will treat you with respect and won't rip you off. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Does your dealership have a car club? My honda place, when I lived in Jersey, would have bi-monthly meetings. You got coffee, repair tips and could compare notes with fellow honda owners. Also, you got monthly specials on things. Good way to learn about your car. It might be good for the future, if they have such a thing.
PS Knock wood, I've never had a major problem with my honda. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Hondas are very reliable and some are even interesting. We're on our 3rd. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Wow, neither my 1768 OR my 05 have traction control OR ABS.
The 05 has a built in tuner though.
Mark, I don't have a Honda, but I've got a Hondo, and yes, it's been reliable. I don't think its very interesting though. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Don't try to bring this one back on topic, Muzza, it was off topic to start with. |
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Location: ranson,wva | my 2005 dodge stratus dosnt have abs.....ive had way less breaking trouble out it than the 97 exploder with abs....jason |
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way OT but it is Friday and affects guitar funds
