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Location: Japan | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Asking on a fan site if an Ovamas will sound better/different/worse than your Taylor will most likely not get you a very objective answer.
That being said, take any 10 guitars and throw away the names. They'll all sound different. And the way they sound different to you will be different than the way the sound different to me.
"Fans" of anything tend to be very miopic. They believe universally that anything associated with their brand (band, team, city, whatever) is by default superior. I used to feel this way about Ovation. Anything that said "Ovation" on it was superior and everything else sucked. How wrong was that.
Now I'm older, wiser, and don't give a damn what it says on the headstock of my guitar (as long it it doesn't say Taylor) and I just play and collect what appeals to ME. In retrospect 90% of all the ovation guitars I have owned have been "average" at best. Some have been steller.
One exception to the rule of variation is the textured top adamas I and II guitars. I have NEVER owned or even heard one that was not outstanding. Maybe not in the league of some wooden guitars, but DAMN, DAMN NICE !!!
Look at it this way, for the $3500. you'll pay for a decent wooden guitar you can buy THREE ovations. Play all three and then throw away the two you like least. You'll still be ahead of the game.
Dave Well then you stand as an exception to your own post, as does Northcountry and myself.
I've always felt the only guitar for me was an Adamas (that's right, I don't like Ovations) but when friends ask me what guitar they should get, I've always suggested getting a guitar they like, preferably used.
an4340 What do you mean by sweet? Since sound is a very subjective thing, the only way for to know the difference is for you to go play them.
Actually, the Taylor is a rather soul-less sounding instrument, so yeah, any ovation, including the celebrities will sound sweeter. I fully agree with your first paragraph and not at all with the second one.
I've really liked the Taylors I've played and absolutely cannot stand the tone of any Celebrity, Matrix or Applause.
Really annoying when one of my friends came to me with his new Celebrity announcing that he had the exact same guitar as my SMT!
Anyway, in reply to Folkstone, I believe the SMT's to have the sweetest sound, although I have a preference for the original textured topped Adamas I & II's. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Akami:
I believe the SMT's to have the sweetest sound, Please, define your aural concept of "sweet" in quantifiable, non-subjective terms, with reference points that someone other yourself may be able to relate to.
I guarantee that you can not.
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Location: Japan | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Originally posted by Akami:
I believe the SMT's to have the sweetest sound, Please, define your aural concept of "sweet" in quantifiable, non-subjective terms, with reference points that someone other yourself may be able to relate to.
I guarantee that you can not.
A wise man once said "Talking about sound makes as much sense as dancing about architecture"
I made a statement based on my own senses.
And that was no wise man. It was an idiot talking about talking.
Use your brain for half a second and you'll realize there's much more sense to be had talking about virtually anything than there is in "dancing about architecture".
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Akami:
Well then you stand as an exception to your own post ... Huh? How can I be an exception to my own post, when I am the one who posted it? That's like saying I don't look anything like me ...
Anyway, this is all fun but I have no idea where this is going. EVERYBODY has different tastes, likes, dislikes, expectations, budgets, intended uses, hearing, etc. etc. etc. In the end the fact that someone thinks this one is sweet, that one is lifeless, this one is overpriced, the other one is plastic, blah, blah, blah who really cares. Imagine if the store only sold one color of paint and every shopper was really in love with that color. Boy oh boy, what fun.
Personally I get a kick out of the fact that my favorite guitar is XYZ and my good friend completely disagrees. And another member here is a big fan of ABC guitars and I think they blow. It's what keeps the world interesting.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by schroeder:
Those XYZs suck. ABCs rule!!!! I would prefer that you put that in quantifiable terms. Like, XYZ's REALLY suck ...
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Location: Midland, MI | Sure, XYZs suck but do they... |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Adamas and rainsong could be compared.
In General most quality guitars will sound geed.
They all sound different |
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Location: Japan | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Originally posted by Akami:
Well then you stand as an exception to your own post ... Huh? How can I be an exception to my own post, when I am the one who posted it? That's like saying I don't look anything like me ...Dave
My original reply had been intended not to be a negative post but I also thought that it appeared that both you and Northcountry had the ability to look beyond personal preference in assessing guitars qualities.
I like reading your posts anyway, especially the part I quoted in my reply here! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | You are correct, I can (sometimes) be objective. Depends how you ask the question. There are many guitars that I think highly of, but would never want to own them myself.
Taylor is a great example. I have some fun jibbing back and forth with a few members here about my "hatred" for Taylors. That's just BS, of course. Taylor makes some very fine instruments. It's just that for whatever reason there has not been a one of them that has ever raised my pulse one iota. By the same token, some members here absolutely laugh at what I consider to be MY "favorite/best" guitars.
In Ovation-land the 30th anniversary Custom Legend reissue is a great example. Extremely nice guitar and many members here go absolutely gaga over it as one of the best sounding wood topped ovations. A very good friend of mine here owned (I think) 3-4 of them. But to me, that guitar is as bland as bland could be. Does absolutely nothing for me. But I would not hesitate to recommend it someone else. Plus it's highly collectable.
Am I objective? Sometimes. Like I said, depends how you ask the question. You have to realize that I base my opinions on my own biased set of requirements. I have little/no use for electronics. So I'm very likely to spout off something like "If you bought a guitar with VIP-5 you wasted about $300." of course what I really mean is if I bought a guitar with VIP then I wasted about $300... My other requirement is that a guitar must sound "woody" like a Martin. If it doesn't sound like a good Martin than I'm not likely to think highly of it. That's why I've said some negative things about SSB ovations. But guess what (question directed at self), they are not supposed to sound like that, don't hate an apple because it doesn't taste like an orange (lesson for self). I may PREFER the orange, but that has no reference to the value of an apple.
Lastly, do I sometimes stir up the shit just to see what color it is? Yes, although not as much as my brother before his self-imposed 5000 post exile. Injecting a little Tupperware juice (shut up Cliff) into a discussion usually doesn't hurt. Take the side fo the underdog? be the devils advocate? Why not. Good example (I know you are an SMT owner), check the archives and see what I've said about SMT's. I campaigned that they sould not be called "Adamas". The Adamas name should be reserved for the true textured topped guitars. SMT stood for Sound Muffling Technology, and I even proposed a retrofit kit for your Adamas I or II to make it sound like an SMT. Consisted of 3 pair of gym socks that you stuff inside your real Adamas to make it sound like an SMT.
Like I said, I can't be trusted to "always" be objective. But I can usually be objectionable.
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Acoustic Sound Comparison: Ovation vs Adamas
