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Location: Texas | Cluster - just having some fun with you. This is America - drive what you like and yes you need that mini van - 4 boys whewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by Brian T:
How can we (Americans) ask people living in huts to stop burning charcoal when we are the highest energy users on the planet? Shouldn't we lead by example? At least a little bit? But we are leading by example. I believe that Africans should build coal fired and nuclear power plants as fast as they can. I believe they should criss-cross their continent with transmission lines. I believe that every African should have access to $0.10/kWh electricity.
Using less energy for the sake of using less energy makes no sense to me. You should use as much energy as you need to support your lifestyle. Basic economics will send all the price signals you need in terms of efficiency. For example, I recently retired my Suburban and started driving a Jetta. If gas was still $1.25 per gallon, I wouldn't have bothered.
The attitude of the modern environmentalist that one should deprive oneself of energy seems to me to be indistinguishable from the historic practice of religious asceticism. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Now if we can just get all those cows to stop Farting... |
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Location: Gardnerville, NV | History shows again and again
how nature points out the folly of man;
go, go, Godzilla.
Words of wisdom from those astute observers of the human condition - Blue Oyster Cult |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | 1) i didn't want to attack USA or so. Every country is responsible for pollution
2) i don't mean that we have to stop everything, and start living like in stone age. There are other ways. How many coal or oil power plants exist without any filters?
Now we have developed catalytic converters that can reduce production of greenhouse gases up to 97%
3) Sun isn't connected in any way with global warming. in last 15 years sun was relatively inactive. you may read about it here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSPAR1670502007071...
4) I'm living near Katowice in Poland. In 80's there was a region where (theoretically) nothing could live normal. There was so big pollution that there were days that level of CO2 in atmosphere was exceeding norm by 1500%.
Sand was changing colour from yellow to gray in 2 months and people were dying one after another.
Now, 20 years later pollution levels aren't significantly higher than in other parts of country. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
You know, 30 years ago everybody was saying we were heading into an ice age. Heck, according to Alvin Toffler (remember The Third Wave and Future Shock?) we all starved to death 20-30 years ago after fighting each other over the last crust of bread!
Each generation discovers mortality for the first time for itself, and each other major understanding, and believes it understands that major understanding more deeply and completely than any previous generation. It must, because older people aren't excited enough about these grand discoveries!
And they're right, only in that the old farts are complacent. But that's what old farts are for... that, and getting the livingroom all to yourself to watch whatever the heck I want. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Back in the '60's, CBS(?) had a show, "The 21st Century".
I used to watch it at the tender age of nine or ten.
They thought for sure that by now we would have flying electric cars, bases on the moon, and nuclear power would have cured any energy problems.
So much for predictions...
BTW- We DO need nuclear power. It can be safe. Three Mile Island actually showed that the safeguards in place Worked!
Chernobyl just showed why you need a containment building, and why cutting corners to save a buck is bad national policy! :eek: |
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Location: NJ | I remember that show.
It was CBS and was on early Sunday evenings.
It was hosted by Walter Cronkite (of course).
PBS recently broadcast a Cronkite bio on "American Masters", but the show didn't even get mentioned.
I watched it whenever it was on . . . |
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ot: weather / climate is changing
