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Location: big island | y'know...some folks could read your screen name as the state in which O's come from: "kanatikit". in fact, uncle beal hangs out there when it's hot in the south. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | See now, the picture in MY mind is the engine room of the starship Enterprise.
"Cap'n, we can'na go to warp speed with the engines like this. She kana:takit." |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | the 23 is an old model, basically a shallow bowl 13, 12 frets, easier for people of your size. Better tone with 12 frets rather than 14 frets of teh 24. But there are newer models that would be good too, ask Al. |
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Location: Michigan | Originally posted by cliff:
#84 on the LostArt page is a steel-string, not a classical. Doh! You're right. I didn't look very closely at the bridge and the photo of the headstock looked like there were nylon strings in there.
Thanks for correcting me. |
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Location: Canada | "cannot take it", that was just the first thing that entered my lightning-like brain [/QB]
Got to love lightning-like brains! Anyway, I really liked that take on it - think I will keep it for a while - and the "Beam me up, Scotty" posting had me in stitches!! Even when I find what I am looking for I intend to stick around for a while - you all seem to have such a great time.
Kit
"Better a witty fool than a foolish wit." Twelfth Night, Shakespeare |
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Location: Canada | Today I took my research to the guitar store. There are a number of Ovations there but they are all made in China - is that a concern? The sales person stated that I would be paying 3x the price to purchase a made in USA than a made in China and that there was no difference; that really does not make much sense apart from a mass production explanation.
There were no classical models at the store - the sales person said that most people buy Yamaha for classical - actually spent quite a bit of time trying to turn me from the Ovation to the Yamaha. I "tried on" a few of the Ovations and found that the mid bowl was a good fit. Then I found that with a steel string I can actually reach past 3 frets - my hands or not that small, being proportional to my height. The sales person suggested I consider a steel string. He then stated that steel and nylon are not interchangeable, that to place steel strings on a guitar meant for nylon strings would damage the guitar. The guitar I found esthetically pleasing was a honey burst quilted cut away but am also drawn to the classic natural cedar with inlay. So now I have to possibly reconsider. Here is the question:
Is there an Ovation that is a mid bowl with a narrower neck than a classical that can be strung nylon or steel? I like the nylon because it is what I am accustomed to; however, I am open to change. All I want to do is play for personal pleasure and in small intimate groups - ie campfire, family gatherings etc - there are no gigs in my future. But, I would prefer to invest more in a solid guitar than pay less because it was a "deal". I have the Yamaha (at least for now until my daughter claims it) so could go for a steel string.
Thank you all for answering my past queries. I am really enjoying reading this group - you wild and crazy guys (and gals?)
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | There's a huge difference between USA made O and imports. You should really look at a 1773Lx
Other than the Academy, there aren't any O's that you would want to interchange Steel and Nylon strings. Guitars are braced to withstand the force of the string tension which makes it incompatible other string materials. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Hmmm....True that |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Nylon and steel are pretty much two different kinds of guitar. (duh!)
If you like the sound/feel of nylon strings. Go for that. One local trio here, the guitar player loves his nylon/classical O.
If it's just because the steel strings hurt your fingers and you plan to play more. Embrace the pain, get the narrow neck/steel string (Balladeer or whatever) and GET ON WITH IT. (It only hurts for a bit. Stop me if you've heard this before...)
few females here. They make us behave a little better than we might otherwise....right Karen?> ;) |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by fillhixx:
(It only hurts for a bit. Stop me if you've heard this before...) Ahh yes... brings back the memory of that night I spent in prison. |
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Location: NW Washington State | This Country Artist might go for a reasonable price: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130144623713
I'd like to see a few more pictures and check on the shipping cost to Canada before bidding.
-Steve W. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Shipping isn't so bad, from my one experience, but the taxes were a bit of a shock. Still, most of the O's available for sale in North America are in the U.S. so it's just the price you pay.
I'd still hold out for a deep bowl though, if you plan to play it around the campfire more than plugged in on stage. |
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Location: Canada | I go to the US daily to get to work so do not worry about that customs thing - thank goodness- it can be a real killer if they decide to get a broker involved! Broker for sure!
I have narrowed it down and know that I want a mid bowl with steel strings - I know a bit of a turn around but, hey, that's a woman's perogative - right? What of a few more callouses - all for a good cause.
So here is the wish list:
- mid bowl
- steel strings
- nutwidth- 1 3/4" - is there smaller?
As far as electronics go, I would like the tuner - not that I cannot tune the guitar but it would be nice to start in key.
Caught between the classic look:
- natural wood (Sitka spruce or similar)
- black back
- ebony fretboard with inlay
- decorative work around the "O"
and the Elite Special in a slightly darker wood.
I read with interest the discussion on the benefits of the "O" compared with the multiple holes - something to consider but the Elite Special is just all that.
And a hard case.
Most important of all: no cracks, major dings, missing /broken parts, assembly required - do not need to add to the "issues" pile.
Is that a pretty reasonable wish list? Can it be done within my budget?
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Location: Canada | Oh, and one other thing - made in the USA.
Kit |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | you just described an LX |
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Location: closely held secret | Pretty much. Custom Elite if you want the ebony fretboard. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Kit, most nut widths are 1-11/16" on USA Ovations which you probably would find more preferable based on your posts. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Hmmm ... steel strings,a narrow neck,$500-600 ... that pretty-much opens the playing field for a LOT of USA Ovations. If I were you, I'd be patient and look for a used guitar. There are lots of excellent ones out there (some on this board) and you will get a lot more for your money.
Just my humble opinion |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | There was a 1122 talked about over in the for sale sectionm. Check that one out. |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | "They make us behave better than we might otherwise...." That remains to be seen..... ;)
The LXs are great guitars, Kathryn--I have a SS Custom Elite LX that gets rave reviews from the people who have played her; if my shoulder were up to a mid-depth box, I'd definitely have one of those instead.
Best wishes as you search,
Karen |
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