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Fridave
Posted 2008-02-16 5:50 PM (#54340)
Subject: catchin a buzz


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Help me out guys. Took a shim out of my 1717 Legend today to lower the action a bit. Now I have a very slight string buzz. I'm a complete novice at O action setup. Are all the shims the same thickness? I didn't check, just took out the top one. Any suggestions? Many years ago I removed a shim from my '79 Balladeer and had no issues with string buzz! Thanks guys.
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Northcountry
Posted 2008-02-16 5:59 PM (#54341 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz
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Well the obvious solution is to replace the shim, If this makes the action to high you can use various materials to make a custom thickness. ? I don't know what you have around but I have found pieces of harwood sanded to the thickness work well. I also have a lot of different thickness pieces of brass stock for model making so this works well also.
If your action is terribly high over the high frets then take a look down the neck like your sighting down the barrel of a gun. If you have an obvious bend in the neck you might want to have someone look at this for you, it is an easy adjustment and have someone show you how to do it if you don't already know.
Enjoy
Randy
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-02-16 5:59 PM (#54342 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz


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The shims can indeed be different thicknesses...

... and you might consider tweekin' the truss rod a 1/4 turn
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an4340
Posted 2008-02-16 6:06 PM (#54343 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz


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I agree Jeff. Sounds like a truss rod twist is necessary.
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Fridave
Posted 2008-02-16 6:22 PM (#54344 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz


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Tweak the rod, counter clockwise would be my guess, but with my luck on a 50/50 chance I'm probably wrong! Straighten me out, which way should I turn it?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-02-16 6:55 PM (#54345 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz


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counter-clock wise (to reduce "back-bow" i.e. straighten it)
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Fridave
Posted 2008-02-17 11:28 AM (#54346 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz


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BTW I forgot to mention the strings I'm using are 11 - 46, and I tune down 1/2 step. Thanks for the replies.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-02-17 11:33 AM (#54347 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz


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then definitely "tweak the rod" (ShutUp, Waskel)
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G8r
Posted 2008-02-17 11:33 AM (#54348 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz


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Ahh, there's your problem. Don't be a Pu assy and go to heavier gauge strings! :D ;)
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cliff
Posted 2008-02-17 11:42 AM (#54349 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz


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". . Don't be a Pu assy and go to heavier gauge strings! . ."

Especially if yer going to lower tuning.

I'd go with at LEAST .012's (maybe .013's).
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Fridave
Posted 2008-02-17 11:43 AM (#54350 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz


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With the tune down and light gauge strings, does the neck not have enough relief now or are light gauge strings prone to buzz? Like I said I took out one shim. Did it many many years ago on my '79 Baladeer, same gauge strings,no issues. I do strum pretty hard when I'm gettin into it !
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Todd
Posted 2008-02-17 11:48 AM (#54351 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz


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I read somewhere, probably here, that someone took out a shim on a Celebrity and it caused his guitar to have less volume accoustically. Maybe somehow altered the transfer of string vibration to the top.
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G8r
Posted 2008-02-17 12:23 PM (#54352 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz


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Yep - changes the break angle - the angle formed by the strings coming down from the saddle to the bridge. A shallower angle transfers less vibration, I believe, resulting in reduced top vibration & thus lower volume.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2008-02-17 12:37 PM (#54353 - in reply to #54340)
Subject: Re: catchin a buzz



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Put in some 12-53's, tune it back up to normal, and your problem will be solved.
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