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What color are unfinished Adamas tops?

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dvd
Posted 2008-02-28 3:17 PM (#52188)
Subject: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?



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What color are the raw Adamas soundboards before the folks in CT get their hands on them?

I assume the woven tops are the stereotypical grey a la 2080 or W597. But how do they do different colors (like cobalt) of the wovens?

And what about the textured tops?

Seems like all the ones I saw on the tour last year already had a burst on them.

Thanks!
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stephent28
Posted 2008-02-28 3:48 PM (#52189 - in reply to #52188)
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what a great question....(but only because I am curious about the answer!)
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Erniewan
Posted 2008-02-28 4:03 PM (#52190 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?


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my guess for the textured tops would be a dark charcoal / black, like the inside of the adamas, where the braces are glued to.

Beal can certainly answer this one..
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ChatMan
Posted 2008-02-28 4:53 PM (#52191 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?


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Graphite?
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Trader Jim
Posted 2008-02-28 5:02 PM (#52192 - in reply to #52188)
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UH,...black?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-02-28 5:06 PM (#52193 - in reply to #52188)
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Kinda matte black/charcoal
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dvd
Posted 2008-02-28 6:04 PM (#52194 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?



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So Jeff, is the center of your custom redburst the "natural" color, or are they painting that grey/matt black/charcoal and then doing the burst over it?

Seems like it's more of a slate/carbon/charcoal color than, say, the 08 Collector's which appears to be painted black.

Just curioius. Thanks!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-02-28 6:11 PM (#52195 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?


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The custom is painted to blend into the ebony fret board and bridge.

I think the Original Utes were "Unfinished" tops
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cliff
Posted 2008-02-28 6:18 PM (#52196 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?


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I think ALL of the tops are painted, in one form or another . . .
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-02-28 6:18 PM (#52197 - in reply to #52188)
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I can tell you that the raw woven tops are dark grey - almost black - because I have one ;)

The paint that they use (at least for the cobalt blue) is an automotive spray paint - the brand is SEM. I got that from John Budny. I also have the paint. Someday I will put the paint and the top together and make something.
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dvd
Posted 2008-02-28 6:22 PM (#52198 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?



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But Mike, if you spray paint the cobalt over the woven top, won't you lose that carbon fibre look? I could have sworn the woven cobalt top I've seen (TDeej's W598) the blue was impregnated into the fibre somehow so you could still see the pattern.
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Damon67
Posted 2008-02-28 6:59 PM (#52199 - in reply to #52188)
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I used to work in a boat shop building boats. One of my first jobs in my youth, and one of the worst jobs too. We used carbon fiber sparingly to reinforce certain stress points.

Carbon fiber is blackish. Comes on a roll. After you lay it out and and ad the resins and it hardens it looks like this:

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Trader Jim
Posted 2008-02-28 7:31 PM (#52200 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?


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Originally posted by dvd:
But Mike, if you spray paint the cobalt over the woven top, won't you lose that carbon fibre look? I could have sworn the woven cobalt top I've seen (TDeej's W598) the blue was impregnated into the fibre somehow so you could still see the pattern.
With a finish that rough, you could brush latex over it, and it would still have the texture. The only way to lose the texture (ala the 597) is to use a thin coat of resin/epoxy to make it smooth. Paint won't even come close.
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Beal
Posted 2008-02-28 7:34 PM (#52201 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?



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look on the inside of the guitar for the unpainted color.
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-02-28 8:14 PM (#52202 - in reply to #52188)
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DVD - I did a couple of test pieces. You don't lose the woven look. I did a couple of coats on one of them and it was still there. I haven't put a finish coat on yet, but I have a feeling that'll draw out the pattern even more.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2008-02-28 8:16 PM (#52203 - in reply to #52188)
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A gloss finish will tend to do that.
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dvd
Posted 2008-02-28 9:24 PM (#52204 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?



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Thanks all. Adamas sightings around here are few and far between but I'll try to remember to pop the hatch the next time I see one to satisfy my curiosity.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-02-28 9:27 PM (#52205 - in reply to #52188)
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You know, it's easy enough to find out the original color of an Adamas top. A little sand paper, a little rubbing, and not only will you know, but you'll have a damned unique looking top as well.....
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Damon67
Posted 2008-02-28 10:09 PM (#52206 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?



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Then call it "aged" or "relic-ed" and charge triple for it.
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dvd
Posted 2008-02-28 11:01 PM (#52207 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?



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lol, I think I can safely say that the next time I see one in the local GC I will try that method. It won't happen, so I won't need to hire Mark to defend me.
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-02-29 1:07 PM (#52208 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?


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I'll try and post some pics when I get home. I'm stuck here in Cleveland Airport contemplating various aspects of wind.
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Beal
Posted 2008-02-29 2:46 PM (#52209 - in reply to #52188)
Subject: Re: What color are unfinished Adamas tops?



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Cleveland!? Who did you piss off?
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