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PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed

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MWoody
Posted 2009-10-19 10:27 AM (#394101)
Subject: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed



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I have in my possesion a PF22 from Damon to AJ with a stop over at my house. It features two twin rail HB's with Volume, Tone, 3 way and three additional ON/ON switches.
Wiring Puzzle Album

Since there wasn't a User's manual that came with these I have a few questions:


1) What are the switch functions?

2) Is my schematic drawn correctly?

3) What THEHELLWEREYOUGUYSSMOK'N when you decided to grab any color wire in the bin and only use two colors on a four wire pickup?

Anyway, I want to document this wiring scheme for posterity and plagerize the heck out of it as well.

A reward to the one that can deliver the best Schematic rendering and explaination!
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-10-19 10:46 AM (#394102 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed
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:eek: That can't be a factory soldering job, can it?
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MWoody
Posted 2009-10-19 11:15 AM (#394103 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed



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These were all "protos" Iffy. This one is made the same day as your PF Bass.
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Beal
Posted 2009-10-19 11:15 AM (#394104 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed



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If that's the one with the repotted UK2 pickups the two switches are the series/parallel switches. The other is probably an in phase outta phase along with the pickup selector and master volume and tone.

I think it is the original wiring, don't see and spots where it was redone, you can always spot those.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2009-10-19 11:33 AM (#394105 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed


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Originally posted by Beal:
If that's the one with the repotted UK2 pickups the two switches are the series/parallel switches. The other is probably an in phase outta phase along with the pickup selector and master volume and tone.

I think it is the original wiring, don't see and spots where it was redone, you can always spot those.
+ 1
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MWoody
Posted 2009-10-19 1:49 PM (#394106 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed



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No takers on Question #3?
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CanterburyStrings
Posted 2009-10-19 2:34 PM (#394107 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed


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Answer to No. 3: Can't remember. :D
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seesquare
Posted 2009-10-19 3:31 PM (#394108 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed


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I would EASILY defer to Beal & Miles, but their speculation sounds very plasusible. As for the dichromatic wiring- that would befuddle me, also!!
I wired up a 6-switch system on a 3-PUP Tele a few years ago. Do the math on how many permutations of signal combo's you get there!
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BruDeV
Posted 2009-10-19 6:45 PM (#394109 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed


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BruDeV
Posted 2009-10-19 6:58 PM (#394110 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed


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PF 22 corrected

Values should be the same as a UK II
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MWoody
Posted 2009-10-19 7:48 PM (#394111 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed



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Yes, I mistook the orientation of that long plane 3 way switch.

I'll post a clean version tomorrow (left the notes at work).

Thanks Bru
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David Van
Posted 2009-10-20 10:02 AM (#394112 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed


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I shall answer #3 with two more questions:
Is there any left?
and
Are you sharing?
:D :D
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MWoody
Posted 2009-10-20 8:21 PM (#394113 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed



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I think I have it now (thanks Bruce).
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2009-10-20 11:16 PM (#394114 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed


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I think the screw head of the D string pole on the neck pickup should be backed off about 1/8th turn.


sorry couldn't resist
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MWoody
Posted 2009-10-20 11:32 PM (#394115 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed



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You're on to something. The troubleshooting guide points to a loose nut behind the guitar...

What I found interesting, besides the sounds from the UKII/PF setup, was that in all of the Seymour Duncan, Stewmac and GuitarElectronics schematics they didn't have this. As a matter of fact they rarely have anything exactly as Ovation did it.

Things like .022 and .044 caps and the variety of placements.

How much of this was on purpose and how much was to use up the odd Milspec Helo parts?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-10-20 11:42 PM (#394116 - in reply to #394101)
Subject: Re: PF Wiring Queastions, Assistance Needed


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Originally posted by MWoody:
No takers on Question #3?
Good shit....
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