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Location: Houston, Texas | I'm with Norseman on this. Why would anyone place a bid at the BIN price unless the BIN wasn't working. The fact that he made the bid signified his seriousness and his willingness to be bound to pay for it. She should have ended early and sold it to him instead of taking advantage of the situation for a couple more bucks. |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Besides, after experiencing the stereo output of these guitars, I really think the OP-40 is a downgrade. Norse, you will find a better one than this, be patient. |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | Thanks for the support/encouragement Noah, Rick, and others...I appreciate it. And I understand you wanting to take the high road Tony, and appreciate that to (and thanks for the offer of first refusal...I refuse :) ). All I know is it is a sunny beautiful day here in Brainerd, Minnesota and I wasted one of those yesterday over this issue. One day is enough...it's behind me, and I'm heading outside to enjoy a little Minnesota paradise while I can (winter is always right around the corner here in the northland).
Peace to all, and have a GREAT day! |
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| ...As it has been said before regarding ebay, "Buyer Beware!". They are PRO-seller and PRO-ebay, they 'bait and switch' and want to have it both ways. The end result, Ebay is only as honest as their worst seller. |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Originally posted by noah:
Tony, I would have let Norseman retract his bid and let that other Bidder sit there with it. Looking at that other bidder's purchases, I wonder why they would be bidding on a 1537. The interesting thing is that the other bidder, healingj, is in North Port, FL and the seller, vickiandsheri is in Port Charlotte, Fl.
They are within 10 miles of each other on the west coast of FL, and they both seem to be into buying and selling holistic health type items.
IMHO, this looks like collusion. I wouldn't buy anything from either one. Whether this is reportable to ebay or not, i don't know. |
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Location: Houston, Texas | And here's the proof that these two know each other.
From one of healingj's ebay items for sale:
Display board for Healing Journeys
And from the Healing Journey's website:
Pictures of Vicki and Sherri |
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Location: SoCal | I just sent this to the seller:
Vicki, Joyful Noise (an OFC'er) posted two links that have bearing on this auction as healingj is the other bidder at $625 - http://cgi.ebay.com/Show-N-Rise-10-ft-Curved-Floor-Display-w-Light- and http://healingjourneys.biz/servies.htm which shows that Vicki Wilkes & Sheri Crane are listed as owners of Healing Journeys. Is this a shill bid? If so, I recommend rescinding healingj's bid, or my bid, or cancel the auction. If I receive a 2nd offer through eBay for $575, I will seriously consider. If this is merely a coincidence, please explain. |
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Location: Scotland | Tony, I think the course of action here is to report this to ebay as suspected shill bidding and let ebay sort it out according to their policies. I don't think this board is the place to publish this kind of email correspondance between buyers and sellers. |
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Location: SoCal | my complaint to eBay:
Customer concern: my correspondence to seller:
Vicki, Joyful Noise (an OFC'er) posted two links that have bearing on this auction as healingj is the other bidder at $625 - http://cgi.ebay.com/Show-N-Rise-10-ft-Curved-Floor-Display-w-Light- and http://healingjourneys.biz/servies.htm which shows that Vicki Wilkes & Sheri Crane are listed as owners of Healing Journeys. Is this a shill bid? If so, I recommend rescinding healingj's bid, or my bid, or cancel the auction. If I receive a 2nd offer through eBay for $575, I will seriously consider. If this is merely a coincidence, please explain.
If you follow the above links - appears to show seller of item is owner of Healing Journeys while bidder that drove the $575 minimum bid to $625 is selling an item purported by the seller as property of his/her company - thus, the business owned by vickiandsheri. It is my belief that this is a shill bid resulting in my bid of $626. I seek rescind of healingj's bid and entering my at $575; or rescind my bid in totality. |
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Location: Scotland | I agree completely, but I would respectfuly suggest once again, that this is not the place to air this particular dirty laundry. |
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Location: Orange County, California | You Don't want to know what I wrote? These People (who I dont know), are screwing over a friend of mine. If Tony's letter can somehow turn things around (he does have prior positive dealings with them), then I think this is as good a place as any to work it out. I just want to see Norsey get his 1537. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | They "pulled" the listing. Guess the "heat" got them. |
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Location: south east Michigan | I agree that this thread bordered on the "dirty laundry" side...but it was a good lesson in the ways of ebay. |
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Location: Waxahachie, Tx | It's a shame, tsk,tsk,tsk, to think 2 days ago they could of had $625.00 in their pockets and their good reputation intact. I guess that's the Holistic approach. I wonder if Kenneth Lay was a Holistic advocate? Hm-mm.
Can't wait for the guitar to resurface this will be interesting. :D |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I will say this once... you have email accounts... use them.
- This next item falls under our main rule of "Be kind to each other." A LOT of people read this board. We average 3 new members EACH DAY. They are from every country you can think of, and several at least I have never even heard of. They are from all walks, including the folks at the Ovation factory. So lets watch what we say to each other, and watch what we say about people we "think" are not here. People we "think" are not here might be the ones selling a guitar on eBay. Maybe it's not YOUR cup'o-java, but they are selling something. Don't assume they know as much as you do and they are "trying to pull a fast one." Frankly, it's none of your damn business in the first place, but the Ovation Fan Club is not the Ovation eBay Police department. If for one minute you think I haven't received emails from eBay sellers asking why someone didn't just contact them to correct a discrepancy on an instrument they knew nothing about, instead of slamming them on here... you are mistaken. No problem chatting about eBay items, nothing wrong with maybe questioning an ad, as long as it's not turned into a flaming contest against someone who may very well be reading every word. The same goes for the price police. If you think an item is priced too high, let it go and move on. The buying public will determine the value and I am sure all of us have seen some ebay craziness in both high and low directions on pricing. |
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Location: SoCal | Miles and Al, you have email.
I disagree in this case. As I defended the seller's past actions, it was important that I provide follow-up as to the results. Whether eBay takes action, she did cancel the auction. She was aware of the other bid that pushed it from $575 to $626 and didn't rescind it in a timely basis.
Part of an email I rec'd from her today after I challenged her concerning what was found:
We have several items listed on eBay for the business that we have been having an employee manage for us. When she overheard me talking about the problems I was having with loyalnorseman on the guitar, she took it upon herself to use the company account to bid on it.
Granted, this is not a forum for rants...since eBay is the # 1 source for older Adamas and Ovations, it is "on topic". There are excellent sellers out there, many on the OFC. However, you have to be careful. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | No further comment is necessary on this topic, it has been closed. |
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