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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I just got a cheap cs257...
(it was NOT listed as a "Project Guitar" but it is!)
The neck wobbles around... The fretboard is not connected to the top,(should it be?) But someone once had it glued down. The sloppy glue is there.
The neck is no longer connected to the bowl. But it is connected to something. Cuz it just wobbles around.
When I reach inside, I touch the truss-rod/K-bar block, and it moves with the neck.
Apparently that is all that is holding the neck on!
So, can I just crazy glue the neck back onto the bowl, or what? Do I have to remove it completely?
Also, any links with like diagrams, schematics, blueprint... Or just directions for replacing the neck.
Requesting BFLG Help!! |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | If it has bolts, unbolt it. If its glued, steal the wife's blowdryer, and soften the epoxy. Pull it off.
Now inspect the joint for cracks & fissures. Check the plane of the fretboard for level (no twisting). Clean out the neck pocket. Dry-fit the neck, and check for proper set-angle. Glue & clamp- I'd leave the fretboard to float.
Can you post some photos, or send me some? I might have a better idea what you're dealing with. |
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Location: ranson,wva | sc257 coming to maryland for a neck reset and setup....it will return to portland better than new....jason |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | And I'm glad too! :D
Cuz I was trying to figger-out if I should use contact cement, and sit and hold it...
Or go for the gusto, and use Crazy Glue and try to get it in one shot!! :confused:
I'll stick with changing strings, and moving shims around...
Maybe alittle lemon oil rub-down. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | As Harry Callihan says, "A man's gotta know his limitations."
Probably a wise choice there, OMA. Jason will fix you up real good. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | OMA, you mean lemon-scented mineral oil? At Kim Keller's "care and feeding" workshop he emphasized to never use actual lemon oil on your guitar .. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I don't know...
Whatever that Old English 800 stuff is...
They don't really give you the ingredients, it's not Food.
They do tell you not to drink it! :eek: |
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Location: ranson,wva | arthur. ive got a gallon of lemon sented mineral oil. ill send i bottle to you in a seperate box when i ship your celb back.....sorry i didnt resopond to your pm but i was busy feeding the troll..lol jason |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Like I said, I don't know what's in the Old E, But it don't really smell too lemony.
I just use it to clean my frets anyway.
I'm not smearing it on the body.
Although I did put some on the epaulets of the CC44, cuz they seemed a tad dry.
(Yes! I know it is a tool, Not furniture) |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | One More Time!! How do I tighten-up a loose neck on a cs257? This got "Return to Sender" from Western MD. Un-opened!
This thing has no bolts besides the K-bar hex head.
Seesquare sez to heat the thing up with a hair-dryer, and pull it off, then re-attach. Won't the heat cause lacquer cracks? I'm an Old Hippie, I got a hair dryer! [never use it, but I got one]
The previous owner claims that if I just string it up, it works!...
(I doubt that, but it may be true. It came with no strings)
So I am still open to suggestions...
HELP :mad: |
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Location: Australia | Originally posted by dvd:
OMA, you mean lemon-scented mineral oil? At Kim Keller's "care and feeding" workshop he emphasized to never use actual lemon oil on your guitar .. I use clarinet bore oil about once a year.
Jimmy DÁquisto the master luthier used to use motor oil on fingerboards. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Thanx richardd...
Unfortunately, no one has told me how to fix the neck on my guitar! :confused: |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Your neck problem is something that should be handled by a repair tech or experienced amatuer. Brother Jason is tied up in Life right now and when he comes up for air is uncertain.
Something like a neck reset is not a chore that I'm comfortable giving directions over the board. I suggest:
- Have it looked at by a local tech.
- Attend the OFC NW gathering in July and get an onsite consensus from those in attendance.
Hope this helps. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Thanx Mister Woody-- Probably good advice...
We'll see if I can keep my greasy fingers off of it.
Or list the thing HONESTLY as a project guitar, and get my $100 back.
[and keep the case, send one of my brand X, no-name hardshell cases] |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | OMA, give Jason another chance, i.e., "Life is what happens when you're making other plans."
I realize the common carriers are making out real well on your fiasco.
Or, I'll meet you at gh1's, and I'll do the dirty deed, back in the bowels of the BFLG Lab. MOO-AH-HA-HA-HA!! Pass the bone saw, Igor! |
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Location: Stow, Ohio | 
The neck sits in a dovetail pocket in the bowl.
There could be some slop in the neck pocket due to wood chipping off when the neck came undone.
Here is what I did.
I applied fast acting epoxy to the dovetail on the neck and held the neck in place by hand untill the epoxy set up. the I lifted the fretboard up alittle and applied some epoxy to the body under the fretboard and held it in place unill the epoxy set up. I used 5 minute fast acting two part epoxy. the epoxy costs about $5.00 for a tube, I bought two tubes and mixed one tube up for the neck joint, and then I mixed up the other tube for the fretboard. I wasted most of the epoxy, but didn't care since I fixed the guitar for $10.00 in materials.
I am not making any kind of guarrantee that you will have the same results I did. However, that guitar I fixed is now in the hands of the U.S. Marines in the Al Anbar Province of Iraq. and as of the last email from Camp Fallujah, it is still playing great without any problems.
Good Luck |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Nice suggestion, but before you posted that, I found my own solution. I just relisted that thing, using the same photos even! The difference is; I TOLD THE TRUTH!! eBay item #160131436500.
If anyone wants to give it a shot, the reserve is $50.
And it cost me $44 to ship is last time. But since it went both ways, I guess I got a discount! :p |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Eliot! Thanx! With pictures no less!
Well, if I can't sell that think now I know how to fix it! But I couldn't get the neck to come out, and I didn't wanna break it totally.
I coulda used that information earlier, but it is nice to know... |
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Location: Stow, Ohio | The neck is probably still attached to the body somewhere near the edge of the guitar. I used our old clothes iron and a wet paper towel to steam the rest of the glue loose. still there was a little chipping of the finish. steam and pry, steam and pry
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Location: Stow, Ohio | I just noticed the model number on your guitar....
The loose neck must be a design problem, because it is the exact same model of the one I fixed and sent to Iraq. lemme guess the neck wiggles back and forth. you'll just have to steam it loose and lift it out of the neck pocket, and reglue it (epoxy. it really wasn't that big o' deal when I did mine. I even restrung it the same night and played it. I did have to re level and dress the frets. but I like my action low. damned if I didn't get this thing to play like one of my electrics. |
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Location: Stow, Ohio | and as far as using an Ovation T-bar or whatever they call it to adjust the neck. I glued a cut off 5mm allen into a 5mm socket with an extension and used my ratchet. :)
adapt, improvise, and overcome |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Thank You Kindly. Now I know.
But it is gone. Someone must have read this thread, cuz they bid the reserve (first bid/only bid so far). So one way or another it is leaving my possession. And even if it goes no higher. I made half of my money back.
Also this is I cheap lesson in marketing. Eventually, I must get rid of some of these guitars just so I can move around. I have ten guitar cases in the corner. Not counting electrics and a uke.
But I really wish I had read that Sunday MORNING! :mad:
Still, Thankz!
Since I listed it wrong here it is again!
You live and you Learn! |
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