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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-11-23 11:37 PM (#310632)
Subject: Banjo Balladeer



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I saw this, and I just Had to put it out for comment...
I can see doing this if you are just building with what you've got... But these tuners look Brand New.
You can get Regular tuning machines all-day-long on eBarf...

1112 with Banjo Tuners



How well do good "Banjo/Ukulele toonas hold there tune anyway?
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-11-24 12:07 AM (#310633 - in reply to #310632)
Subject: Re: Banjo Balladeer


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These are found on 30's-40's era vintage instruments. I tried to fit them on a Legend and couldn't do it. The headstock was too narrow and the D and E buttons would hit each other. This guy must have found some with smaller buttons. The Grover and 5-Star are pretty nice and they'll hold tune just fine. They are only 4:1 or 5:1 ratio, however.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-11-24 12:57 AM (#310634 - in reply to #310632)
Subject: Re: Banjo Balladeer



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Oh, I didn't know that they had any ratio...
I thought they just went through and were held by friction...
Learn sumptin new everyday!
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-11-24 7:31 AM (#310635 - in reply to #310632)
Subject: Re: Banjo Balladeer


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Some have ratio, some don't. Not sure about these on the Ovation for sale.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2007-11-24 9:41 AM (#310636 - in reply to #310632)
Subject: Re: Banjo Balladeer


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There are players who change tunings in the middle of a tune who feel that these are easier to use than regular tuners. Adrian Legg uses Keith tuners on his guitars because they have stops in them making it very easy for him to go right to the tuning he wants between and during tunes.

I doubt if these tuners were put on just for looks....
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Capo Guy
Posted 2007-11-24 10:02 PM (#310637 - in reply to #310632)
Subject: Re: Banjo Balladeer



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Didn't Adrian Legg play an Adamas with tuners like that?
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-11-24 10:06 PM (#310638 - in reply to #310632)
Subject: Re: Banjo Balladeer


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Yes.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-11-25 7:19 PM (#310639 - in reply to #310632)
Subject: Re: Banjo Balladeer


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The are called "planetary" tuners and they are geared, not friction pegs, and as Dave said have a fairly low gear ratio. Dave is correct and the holes for 3rd and 4th string tuners are too close together to work properly with standard buttons, and I'm pretty sure these are standard buttons not smaller replacements. It works on an Adamas 1 because the headstock is not tapered as much as a standard Ovation headstock. The tuners Legg used were either Bill Keith banjo tuners or the Schaller "Scruggs peg" version, both have pre-set stops to move between 2 pitches. The ones on this guitar are standard planetary gear banjo pegs.
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-11-26 9:11 AM (#310640 - in reply to #310632)
Subject: Re: Banjo Balladeer


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Here's a photo of Legg with the Ban-jer tuners on his Adamas 1 ...

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brainslag
Posted 2007-11-26 12:54 PM (#310641 - in reply to #310632)
Subject: Re: Banjo Balladeer


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For one thing, that guitar looks newer than '74, with no TRC, no 5 piece neck, blue label and Black backed headstock logo. For another, I thought banjo tuners with a gear ratio had offset button shafts in relation to the post. These are straight, are there actually gears in that small space??



....oh, also they look completely wrong on an ovation..
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2007-11-26 1:06 PM (#310642 - in reply to #310632)
Subject: Re: Banjo Balladeer


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The look kinda grows on ya, and for people who change tunings all the time... as Brian Johnson would say.... "It just makes good good sense."
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-11-26 1:13 PM (#310643 - in reply to #310632)
Subject: Re: Banjo Balladeer


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Originally posted by brainslag:
I thought banjo tuners with a gear ratio had offset button shafts in relation to the post.
Some are offset, some are not. Depends on the design. Here's the one's I use on a few of my ukuleles by 5-Star. They're not offset and have a 4:1 gear ratio. They are outstanding tuners.

5-STAR TUNERS
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