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MWoody
Posted 2009-12-29 3:11 PM (#284508)
Subject: Alpep's Wood Top Dreadnaught Adamas



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I wasn't able to follow the multiple paths that the #31 Adamas thread took so for my simple mind... anybody know anything or pictures of Alpep's Wood Top Dreadnauhgt Adamas.

I've played it and I loved it.
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playadamas
Posted 2009-12-29 3:18 PM (#284509 - in reply to #284508)
Subject: Re: Alpep's Wood Top Dreadnaught Adamas


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bvince
Posted 2009-12-29 4:48 PM (#284510 - in reply to #284508)
Subject: Re: Alpep's Wood Top Dreadnaught Adamas



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He did tell me it's a tone monster.
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Northcountry
Posted 2009-12-29 4:55 PM (#284511 - in reply to #284508)
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I can tell you I was hoping this would stay a secret until I could find out about electronics get down to his place to try it and possibly make a good enough offer.

Just bought some brass engines for the HO Scale Railroad project, and I have included a couple of SSB Adamii so broke the bank but have irons in the works.
You know.....
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bvince
Posted 2009-12-29 5:03 PM (#284512 - in reply to #284508)
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I guess I should move my comments over to this thread from the other one.

I was wondering about the possibility of the MS converting a 1537 over to one of these. I'm probably a bit ignorant on the subject, but it looks to me like it would just take a neck and a bridge put on a good existing Elite body. (???)
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playadamas
Posted 2009-12-29 5:56 PM (#284513 - in reply to #284508)
Subject: Re: Alpep's Wood Top Dreadnaught Adamas


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If you just want the look and yes, just the neck and bridge will do. I am not sure exactly what they did differently from the Adamas. But bear in mind this is a very early model (back cover in the middle, gold company logo on the heel). The tone, volume, ring from this guitar is both powerful and sweet at the same time.

I haven't played Al's dreadnought, but I think he's played this one. I am not sure if he remembered, since he wasn't feeling well that day when he was here.
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bvince
Posted 2009-12-29 7:12 PM (#284514 - in reply to #284508)
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I guess the real indicator would be to see what the top looks like inside. It would be interesting to compare it to the 1537.

I wonder what the label says?

Beal? ... Any insight?
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playadamas
Posted 2009-12-29 8:39 PM (#284515 - in reply to #284508)
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There is no label inside the original one...
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bvince
Posted 2009-12-29 11:14 PM (#284516 - in reply to #284508)
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Looking back to an earlier discussion on wood top Adamas guitars (July 23,2002) I answered SOME of my own questions ... 3 wood top Adamas prototype guitars were made. One Samova has, another (the dreadnaught)is Als, and another showed up in Maine with TJR. These were the predecessors to the early Elites, which are outstanding guitars in their own right, but I'd like to know why they didn't go with the Adamas idea initially? Too expensive to produce? I know now that these Adamas models were deeper due to the Adamas carved trim around the top (1/4 " deeper),Ovation fan bracing (on one at least), but I'm curious about whether it has the same ply-reinforced section under the epaulets? If so, it seems like it would sound like the 1537, unless the differece in necks changes things. Kinda like the difference between the Adamas I and the Adamas II? Sorry for all the rambling, but I'm a bit intriged.
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bvince
Posted 2009-12-29 11:35 PM (#284517 - in reply to #284508)
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I meant "A" bracing, not "fan" (that was for round holes)
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playadamas
Posted 2009-12-30 12:14 AM (#284518 - in reply to #284508)
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I believe most of it has to do with cost of production. As in the case of the original slotheads --> production Adamas with much less; 12-fret U681 prototype --> production with a different top; woodtop Adamas --> 1537 with simpler design... and MB 500E --> 400E that's half the price but only 10% the fun left.... reality versus dreams
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2009-12-30 8:57 AM (#284519 - in reply to #284508)
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Originally posted by bvince:
Looking back to an earlier discussion on wood top Adamas guitars (July 23,2002) I answered SOME of my own questions ... 3 wood top Adamas prototype guitars were made. One Samova has, another (the dreadnaught)is Als, and another showed up in Maine with TJR.
There was at least one and likely two additional wood-topped Adamas prototypes made, one of which was this SSB. The label says this one was made on 10-13-82 and was the second of two made that day, according to Beal. Could the first one made that day possibly be one of the three mentioned above?

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MWoody
Posted 2009-12-30 1:15 PM (#284520 - in reply to #284508)
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Randy,
There are no secrets here... :p
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Northcountry
Posted 2009-12-30 4:13 PM (#284521 - in reply to #284508)
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Dam
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noah
Posted 2009-12-30 7:55 PM (#284522 - in reply to #284508)
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Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
There was at least one and likely two additional wood-topped Adamas prototypes made, one of which was this SSB. The label says this one was made on 10-13-82 and was the second of two made that day, according to Beal. Could the first one made that day possibly be one of the three mentioned above?
Mine goes back to 10-02-80 :cool:
It's got a slotted head and funny plastic strings.

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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-12-30 8:13 PM (#284523 - in reply to #284508)
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Charlie didn't want to make a wood topped Adamas. The prototypes were all made by Nick Macklin up in Mooseup at the Adamas factory. He was curious as to what could be done with a wood topped Adamas configuration. It was only after the first ones were built and got a positive reception that Charlie relented.

I got this from Nick....
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noah
Posted 2009-12-30 8:14 PM (#284524 - in reply to #284508)
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Thank you Nick!
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CanterburyStrings
Posted 2009-12-30 8:18 PM (#284525 - in reply to #284508)
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Not being picky, but it's Mackin, no L. And Moosup, no E. And yes, thank you Nick for ALL that you have done for the guitars we love!
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MWoody
Posted 2009-12-30 8:36 PM (#284526 - in reply to #284508)
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That was from Moody with no "W"!

Am I the only one that's been getting a strong case of Wood Top Adamas GAS here?
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bvince
Posted 2009-12-30 9:20 PM (#284527 - in reply to #284508)
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Nope! I've had a baaaaad case of that for a long time myself. Hey, now THERE'Ss an idea for a 2010 Collectors! Anybody Listening???
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MWoody
Posted 2009-12-30 9:39 PM (#284528 - in reply to #284508)
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Huh?

M(Watch for Email)Woody
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Northcountry
Posted 2009-12-30 11:16 PM (#284529 - in reply to #284508)
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Your Killin me Mike.................but I still luv ya man........
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MWoody
Posted 2009-12-30 11:21 PM (#284530 - in reply to #284508)
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It's that competitive Man thing you know, back at ya!
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