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MWoody
Posted 2009-12-13 10:26 PM (#285013)
Subject: Ebay Ovation-like Object...



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Before someone asks "What were they thinking?" I'll tell you...

Preacher Neck - most bling and very sturdy.

Viper Pickups - the Best!

Limited Body - the sleekest and sexiest baby.

Woody PG - Why play what everyone else does?

DVD had me build this for him, it's now owned by War Eagle he's cleaning out the basement to make more room for drums or something!

Somebody stop me...

Limited/Preacher/Viper Custom
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seesquare
Posted 2009-12-16 9:19 PM (#285014 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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Well, had to keep it "within the fold". This is a unique instrument, that probably can only be appreciated within this community.
So-o-o-o-o-o-o-o........I dropped the hammer, and have sent the funds. Left a note for War Eagle, suggesting we may want to wait 'til after XMAS for shipping. The temp-gorillas at the common carriers may be a bit careless, and a lot frenetic, at this juncture!
Shoot, there's only 7 days, anyway. I think I'd rather wait.
BUT.......MERRY XMAS ON ME!!!!!!!!
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MWoody
Posted 2009-12-17 8:44 AM (#285015 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...



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Yes!
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War Eagle
Posted 2009-12-17 8:48 AM (#285016 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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Congrads Chris !!! Let me know when you want me to ship it..

Keith
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seesquare
Posted 2009-12-17 8:54 AM (#285017 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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Thanks. We have corresponded elsewhere, so I will keep you informed.
oh-boy,oh-boy, oh-boy........
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-12-17 9:16 AM (#285018 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...



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I believe that I actually handle that critter a coupla years back.

It gets around don't it?
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seesquare
Posted 2009-12-17 2:37 PM (#285019 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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Highly probable. I'm gratified, humbled, & appreciative of this opportunity.
AND, thankful you avoided the "F-word"- fondled.
Coveted is perfectly OK, though!
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seesquare
Posted 2009-12-29 3:46 PM (#285020 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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Updated bump. The Limited is pulling out of North Carolina today, due to make it cross-country, a week-from tomorrow.
Keith was kind enough to hold the critter 'til the shipping pressures & activities subsided somewhat.
Should be a hoot! I may have to invest in a decent amp now. That 10-watt Kustom is probably not gonna cut-the-mustard.
The operant term was "explore your electric side". May find out it's a black hole, more like.
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seesquare
Posted 2010-01-07 5:39 PM (#285021 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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Latest installment. The Limited pulled into the yard yesterday. Haven't had a lot of time to play with it, but it does sound & play pretty suh-weet.
Y'know, that ergonomic notion to the design? It really is true. It is well-balanced, and I don't feel like the neck is trying to escape my ineptitude significantly.
I will be fumbling around quite awhile, but this is a great instrument.
I need to consult with The Brethren on a couple of technical issues, so "fair warning".....
Already sent off a parts request to The MotherShip. The case needs another latch at the pointy-end. I think I can fix the butt-end hinge, though.
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MWoody
Posted 2010-01-07 6:26 PM (#285022 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...



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I will extend the limited lifetime do-what-I-can extended warrantee to my brother in the Lower Baliwick!
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seesquare
Posted 2010-01-07 6:45 PM (#285023 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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How are you at wiring circuit boards? The Breadwinner Fan website, to which YOU are, apparently, a member, has the schematic! Looks like a 2-transistor FET setup, with a couple of extra switches.
I'm trying to determine how to manipulate the current setup, so obviously, this is a process, not a destination.
I'll probably work on a bit of elementary rock tonite........with the headphones. SWMBO & The Girls (canine types) have exiled me to my inner sanctum, with stringent controls on decibel emanation. OK, then.
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numbfingers
Posted 2010-01-07 8:36 PM (#285024 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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But you don't have the original preamp, do you? I wouldn't try to duplicate it, too many weird switches and oddball parts. Looks like yours has Woody Wiring instead. Instead, you should build a custom preamp from subminiature hearing aid tubes. I got the strangest guitar with a preamp like that from some guy on eBay.
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MWoody
Posted 2010-01-07 10:10 PM (#285025 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...



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"bigger the gob, better the job"!

Actually that one has some straight forward Viper wiring. Keep it simple.
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seesquare
Posted 2010-01-07 11:09 PM (#285026 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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Actually, Numbie, that critter is based on Aussie military hardware, and I've got another set of parts!
The active electronics on the BW operate off two 9-volt batteries, I suppose to power each transistor in the BW preamp circuit.
The circuit in the Fishbox has a 1.5v AA, & a 9-volt, but only one signal input.
Now, what am I supposed to use for the signal? Direct from the existing pups, into the existing blender, then routed into the preamp circuit?
Probably need a bypass provision, too. I think there's a switch in the original design to accomplish that.
BTW, did the original BW nylon bridge saddles have individual sensors? I would think the nylon would attenuate a lot of the acclaimed sustain on these guitars.
Anyrate, a lot of conjecture here. Probably ought to learn to play something on the critter, before performing major surgery!
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numbfingers
Posted 2010-01-08 12:00 AM (#285027 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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I think the original preamps used 18 volts for more headroom, not for each FET. You can find nice schematics in Brudev's section of the old photo gallery.

Tillman\'s FET preamp might be a good starting point. Another guy did a version with a more common FET and 18 volt supply.

The preamp would come after the blend pot or pickup selector switch, whichever you use. I'd maybe try
pickups>blend>tone>preamp>volume>output
to start. If the volume control follows the preamp, you might find that it works better with a lower value like 50K or 100K. You could use a push-pull pot at the tone or volume position to bypass the preamp if desired. Many people use a stereo output jack and run one lead of the battery supply through it so that when a mono plug is inserted it shorts out the battery connection and powers the preamp.

I keep thinking of odd ways to rewire guitars, but it's been a long time since I could see the top of my workbench. Gotta clean up my act.

-Steve W.
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seesquare
Posted 2010-01-08 12:40 AM (#285028 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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Always true, "A clean desk is the sign of a sick mind", or more likely, in need of an enema.
If I've got time to clean my bench, I'm in need of another project!
Thanks for the info, too! Kinda follows what I expected, though the headroom thing is interesting. So, in crude terms, that means you can crank up the signal strength to the transistor & increase the frequency range?
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seesquare
Posted 2010-01-08 1:13 AM (#285029 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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Good references, Steve. Thanks! Mr. Hawes' design makes more practical sense, and I doubt many of us could tell the difference in performance, and it also appears more robust for us ham-handed nimrods.
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AlanM
Posted 2010-01-12 8:14 AM (#285030 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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Gorgeous guitar! MWoody, you ARE an artist! Love the contrasting woods on the front. Congratulations, seesquare! I'll bet it plays and sounds as gorgeous as it looks!
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MWoody
Posted 2010-01-12 9:03 AM (#285031 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...



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"with the headphones. SWMBO & The Girls (canine types) have exiled me to my inner sanctum"

The Digitech RP50 has a Bzillion sounds and with an earphone jack/output! At $50 it may save a little domestic tranquility.

DVD and I worked that one over, I especially like the Viper pups.
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seesquare
Posted 2010-01-12 9:14 AM (#285032 - in reply to #285013)
Subject: Re: Ebay Ovation-like Object...


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It's pretty sweet, alright. Thanks for the tip, Mike. I'll check it out. So much for my "gearhead resolution".
I'll tell ya, though- fixin' that hinge on the case, and the latch repair, literally required blood & sweat. I prevailed, and all appendages are still functional!
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