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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Waskel:
Dave, I think I've figured out why your vote doesn't matter. Neither of those were presidential election years...
GOOD ONE !!!! OK, whenever the hell year it was ... SEE, I don't even give a crap what's the year. I'm still laughing my ass off at your response. Dave |
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| ....who says the book Elite has a mid bowl ?? I am the lucky owner of a book Elite and I can tell you it's a deep bowl !!! But the sound of an Ovation guitar with a deep bowl is not always the better sound. My '93 Collectors with a mid-bowl and cutaway had a much better and deeper sound as the deep bowl Custom Legend without cutaway from a friend of mine.
My sons '89 Celebrity deep bowl sounds much better than a Std. Balladeer which I've sold a few month ago. The right strings, a handmade bone-saddle and a well adjusted guitar can be the secret of the better sound - just try it. I made some guitars sound better with some unusual modifications, my Ibanez AC 900 has a saddle made of plain silver and brass brigde pins, it sounds great.
Best wishes from Germany !! helmut-pl |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | The OFC has evolved to the level of South Park.That´s about where I fit in. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Now that is funny. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Dave, you're still more qualified than most Americans. Most don't know the year of the election or who is running. I just vote against somebody, not for him/her. Pretty much a guarantee that if somebody is running for something, I won't like him. |
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Location: North Idaho | My book elite is the same size bowl as the 1547. I very much enjoy both guitars as they do have different voicing. The 1547 has more bass, the book has stronger mids and highs. In addition to the previously mentioned underside top reinforcement, the mothership tells me the bowls are constructed of different materials. The 1537/47s have a heavier material than the fiber type on the book. The book bowl sounds thinner when tapping the two. This could account for the major sound variance.
To 1987 owners: 1) How do the 1987 and 1537/47 bowls compare in construction?
2) Is the 1987 fretboard glued to the top or free like the 1537/47?
To other 1537/47 owners: don't let go of those gems--the same factory person told me Ovation could still make the 1537/47s, but the street (Al's selling) price would be in the $3K range. |
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Location: Keller, TX | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
I just vote against somebody, not for him/her. Pretty much a guarantee that if somebody is running for something, I won't like him. I usually end up voting for the evil of two lessers, too. :( |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | The 87 has the fretboard glued to the body and the body seems like all my other elites. I really wonder if the way the ply backing is done on these early elite does make a difference. Someone in this tread mentioned the 84 as the best shallow bowl. I have one and the ply is the same style as the 1537 and 87. I disagree with the post that says he won't buy an 87 cause he wouldn't play it. These guitars have enough age that you probably will find them not mint. Mine has two dings, in some ways thats great, it give me the freedom to play it and enjoy it. Thats whats they are made for.
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Location: North Idaho | Steve, thanks for the info on the fretboard. Now I am interested in knowing why or how does that ply top make a difference? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | We used titanium bolts to put on the necks of the 87. The rest, including the book guitar just used the regular steel bolts. Also they were mil-spec washers on the 87 but they got all used up so the book had to go without. |
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Location: East Tennessee | 87 in the lead. :cool:
97 a distant second. :(
Looks like every 10 years they put out a really great Collectors Edition. :D
Can't wait to see the 07. :) |
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Location: North Idaho | Originally posted by cwk2:
We used titanium bolts to put on the necks of the 87. The rest, including the book guitar just used the regular steel bolts. Also they were mil-spec washers on the 87 but they got all used up so the book had to go without. MWoody, now's your chance to auction off your titanium bolt supply. |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | Couple of thoughts on the 87. The ply backing was discussed before in a post 10/16/05 "1537 Has a Plywood Top" Execellent pictures of the types of backing on that post. In that post it was someone who appears to have be in manufacturing that said the following:
"We used to do the eppie backers that way,now we use the two cut to size backers that dont go under the bracing. The reason the backer is tapered on the older styles, was to make the bracing sit flat on the top.Hope that answers it."
The sanded taper was done so the bracing would make solid contact its full length. Thus the ply is totally integrated into the sound board. The newer elite put a backing that is not tied to the bracing, but just adds thickness, only in that one area. That thickness is not sanded thinner as is the old ply. I am sure that the old ply was more costly to produce and the new ply makes manufacturing sense. Bottom line, I think this difference is the one that makes the most sense as to affecting the sound of the older guitars in a positive way. Many of those older models 1537, 84, 87, 93. are know for their good sound and they all have this in common. They also have older wood which could help. Thanks to cwk2 for the titanium and washer info. I am glad to see that we may now have bolt envy among our group. Seriously however. the other part of the 87 I love is the neck and neck angle are absolutely perfect, best of any guitar I own period. Maybe that comes down to bolts and washers.
By the length of this post I think I need to get a life.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Now that I have the 87, I'm giving it my vote, too. Huge bass. More than the 1537. I'll have to compare the 1537/87 with tdeej's 1547/Book. I suspect the difference in the bass is that the 1537 has light, old strings and the 87 came with fairly new mid strings. |
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