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Location: Denver Colorado | Without spending a nickel?
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Here's what works for me:
http://www.ovationguitars.com/index.cfm?fa=artistnews&art=401
How sad.
We got Nikki Sixx sitting on an American flag on the ground. Why WHY would Kaman make such a disrespectful statement by the use of such a stupid picture on their site?!?!?
There are thousands of ways to positively promote Ovation guitars... so it pisses me off that they chose to use such a negative in-your-face avenue.
I'd like to know the demographics of who really buys these guitars. Is Kaman making more money because they cater to people that basically don't give a shit?
I have very little respect for a company that is proud to post a picture like this.
I've always been an Ovation lover, but that picture of Nikki Sixx is enough for me to think about changing guitars of choice. If nothing else, it sure wiped out my warm and fuzzy feelings for this company and it's guitars.
Way to go, Kaman.
No G.A.S. here today.
(and for the record, I'm not PMSing either)
/rant off |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | maybe if we all complained about it to askus (at) ovationguitars.com |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Sally, I agree with you about him sitting on the American flag.....I suspicion it might be that he THINKS it shows he is patriotic....amd KMC didn't feel like censoring him, since they get so few endorsements for Ovation.
(and I won't comment further about what I think it REALLY shows)
Sally, what is the origin of the name "Satori" for your 2005-ES?????
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Just a guess.
It might say more about the age of the 'suits' at Kaman than anything to do with market research. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Sally,
Two Words;
Marketing Logic. :confused:
I still love Ovation guitars but I don't think their marketing skills are up to the level of the guitars. When I read Acoustic Guitar, I always like to see the Martin Ad. |
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Location: Denver Colorado | Hey Roger...
Satori is a zen word meaning an enlightening moment... when a light bulb goes on in your head... or you're dropping the baggage and getting on with your life... or just "getting it".
The "Aha!" moment.
I've been struggling terribly with serious issues with my daughter this past year - and after being taken for a ride by a married jackass earlier this year, I truly needed a 180 degree turn in finding something of joy for me.
I've been away from guitars for about 10 years - but in search of joy, I'm back to playing.
So the pivotal guitar is the 2005 - so it's fitting it get's the name Satori. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Nikki Sixx opinion aside, I am still less than pleased with the photo. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Sally, I had the same "satori" moment when I first picked up my 2005-ES at the local Guitar Center and played it.....I had wondered what the fuss about the contour bowl was all about....and then I UNDERSTOOD.......(!!!!!) Glad to see that it affected someone else the same way.
Ovation marketing has been discussed here before ad nauseam....and there are many here who do not understand their approach. Nikki Sixx gets them a lot of attention from the more electric-oriented magazines, which they appear to feel is more of the Ovation demographic than Acoustic Guitar, like it or not.
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Location: Denver Colorado | I don't think it was about "censoring" Nikki Sixx.
After all, who paid for the photo shoot?
I doubt Nikki Sixx donated his time and this picture. |
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Location: San Bernardino, California | Sikki Nixx? |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Haven't we been through this rant before? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I feel about the same for the 'Flag', as I do about 'God'....
and Nikki Six for that matter... |
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Location: Orange County, California | Originally posted by an4340:
Haven't we been through this rant before? YES!! |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Sally,
What exactly do you dislike in the photo? Is he wiping his behind with it? burning it? cutting it up?...no, he's simply sitting on it.
Should I be pissed off whenever I see a young lass running around the beach wearing a stars and stripe bikini?...no, there is no ill intent. Just displaying pride of the flag and its symbology.
I'm a twenty-five year career military member. I do this job everyday to protect our country and ensure your rights to agree or disagree, but also to guarantee others right too...For the record, I'm not even a Nicki Stix fan. Just hate seeing folks get worked up over this.
Peace,
Tim |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | I also retired disabled from the military after 21 years, and all 4 of my kids are now active duty military or married to active duty. I have to say that I am a little offended by the photo. Not so much for what it says, but what it doesn't say. I mean the fact that we have to sit and discuss whether it was meant to show patriotism or it is some kind of anti-war sentiment, makes it inappropriate for use. Like I said ... I'm offended, but I'm not losin' sleep over it, since it could also just be another case of ignorance to flag etiquette. I do however feel that dishonoring the flag is a slap in the face to those that given their lives and limbs for it, for us, and for what it represents. I think if people don't like America and our national heritage and symbols, they should get a plane ticket to Iraq and go stand on a street corner in Fallujah. Our freedom was and still is being paid for at a very costly price, and it, and it's symbols should be held in respect.
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Location: N.J. | I saved a copy of these as a question had come up about adverts on napkins,paper products, ect...Since we're on the subject thought I'd post 'em.:::
From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
[wais.access.gpo.gov]
[Laws in effect as of January 7, 2003]
[Document not affected by Public Laws enacted between
January 7, 2003 and February 12, 2003]
[CITE: 4USC8]
TITLE 4--FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES
CHAPTER 1--THE FLAG
Sec. 8. Respect for flag
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of
America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing.
Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags
are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except
as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or
property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the
ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but
always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or
drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but
always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always
arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red
below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front
of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in
such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in
any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of
it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design,
picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving,
holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any
manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as
cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed
on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use
and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or
halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic
uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military
personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations.
The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living
thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on
the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a
fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way,
preferably by burning.
(Added Pub. L. 105-225, Sec. 2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1497.)
Historical and Revision Notes
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Revised Section Source (U.S. Code) Source (Statutes at Large)
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8..................................... 36:176. June 22, 1942, ch. 435, Sec. 4, 56
Stat. 379; Dec. 22, 1942, ch. 806,
Sec. 4, 56 Stat. 1076; July 7, 1976,
Pub. L. 94-344, (12)-(16), 90 Stat.
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | There are certainly passionate feelings about this topic. The depiction of a flag (and not a flag itself) appears regularly on guitars, straps and pickguards. Here's one of the more popular models:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SPRINGSTEEN-SIGNED-AMERICAN-FLAG-GUITAR_W0QQite... |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | That doesn't bother me at all, aside from the "etiquitte issue". It's not an actual flag, and it doesn't appear to have the intention of dishonoring the flag. I have a neck tie that is made with the stars and stripes going diagonal on it. I have received lots of compliments about it from other vets. Not quite the same thing as laying a flag on the ground and using it to sit my butt down on. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Life is too short and I've got to pick my battles. If someone wants to paint a flag on their guitar, or hang it from the antenna of their mobile abode, I really don't care. I see dogs out being walked with flags wrapped around their necks like scarves, conferate flags in the rear windows of pickups, whatever. It's not going to change my life one way or the other. Dave |
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| In my experience there was a time when Kaman Corporation and Ovation Instruments were a conservative company and wouldn't have displayed an article offending veterans or showing contempt for the flag. Perhaps that was Nixx's idea of patriotism and he convinced advertising he was sincere about it. They consider the risk and the profit and go from there... |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | It's just ignorance, perhaps more to be pitied than censured...
reminds me;
"The only difference between genius and stupidity is, there's a limit to genius."
Albert Einstein |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I think we need more Rednecks duct taping Made in China flags they bought at Walmart to the whip antennae of their Pick ups and leaving them there until they disintegrate! It sends a message to the rest of the world! |
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Location: NJ | WellSaid, Woodrow . . . |
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How do you spell relief for G.A.S. ???
