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Location: chicago | Does anybody play in stereo I use my ibanez stereo chorus to widen out my signal when I play and it gives me an aura of the sound being in the room as opposed to directly at you from one amp source.Are there any better ways of achieving a stereo imagery without sounding to effect enhanced?
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | ProfessorBB has rig set up for stereo. Maybe he can chime in and describe his setup. |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | Hey Jeff, I dig your website. Also the tunes. Did you record them or studio? Mic or straight into the deck? Great stuff! |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by jeff burns:
Are there any better ways of achieving a stereo imagery without sounding to effect enhanced?
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Using any stereo effects unit into a mono amp, i.e. without using 2 amps and 2 speakers (they can be in the same box) means processed mono, not stereo. The only way to achieve true stereo in live sound is to use 2 amplifiers and 2 speakers spaced several feet apart. The stereo effect is created by the difference between the left and right channels, but will only be truly appreciated by a listener in exactly the right spot. Recording in stereo is a whole other thing. I used to teach this shit to post-grad level, how long do you have? |
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Location: Avondale, AZ | Paul said: I used to teach this shit to post-grad level Is that the technical terminology you used? |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | Actually, the stero I dug was 60's stero. That's when you heard the drums lead and background, on the right, and vocal, bass and the rest on the left. Then stero got more developed, and sounded more like momo. IMHO. |
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Location: N.J. | Ouch..! Wheres the love Paul? I am glad Gilmour doesnt share your sentiment on live stereo rigs.There are TONS of players that not only have a stereo rig but a w/d/w setup as well. If your going direct out to the board with your clean channel in a stereo rig using a Tri-chorus or a TC-1210,there is just nothing like it that can compare in mono.Most sound guys dont usually have a problem with it and some of the better venues{theres a few in NYC in particular}that are acoustically designed so that no matter where you are in the room you'll still get good imaging.The deciding factor for me on a stereo vs. mono rig was how many roadies were going to attend that nights gig! :D |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Man, I don't get to those better places. Stereo would be useless. In fact, they're lucky they can get the mono mics to work right before they pass the hat. |
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Location: Scotland | I aggree that a stereo rig, using pro gear like the TC, through a great PA system, mixed by a good engineer, in an acoustically neutral venue, is a wonderful thing. And back in the real world, how often and how many of us mere mortals get to experience this?
Personally having used an L1 rig for a while I'm warming to the Bose concept of omnidirectional mono live sound. |
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Location: NJ | I'm still "on the fence" with the sound of the L1
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | move off the finial, Cliff |
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Location: Scotland | You know, I read about the L1 and was totally sceptical. It went against all received wisdom about live sound. Then we borrowed Michael Wong's L1 system for the G band booth at NAMM and that's when I became a little more convinced. I was told by numerous people that not only did the guitar sound killer (it was Michaels "book" Viper) but it could be heard clearly all over Hall E and I certainly wasn't playing at a level which could be considered excessive. Bose actually comment about our use of the L1 on their Website. As a result of NAMM Bose lent us an L1 for Frankfurt and then made me an offer I couldn't refuse on a double bass L1 system. I've been gigging with that for the last couple of months. Frankly I'm a total convert. It's much smaller and less than half the weight of my Mackie rig and sets up in a fraction of the time. It completely removes the need for a monitor rig, and as you hear exactly what the audience hears you never have to second guess your house sound. The volume and tone are consistent everywhere in the room and it doesn't need to be at ear-bleed level to be heard. I've used it in venues from around 60 to 300 capacity and it's produced hassle-free great sound every time. I'm touring with Bob Cheevers and a percussionist later this month and the L1 handles all 3 of us without a problem.
It seems the only people who don't like the concept of the L1 are pro sound engineers. I wonder why? |
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Location: Orange County, California | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
It seems the only people who don't like the concept of the L1 are pro sound engineers. I wonder why? Hmmmm... Same reason most guitar players don't like Ovation maybe? |
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Location: Chicago | What Jeff may not have spelled out is that we, in fact, do have two amps spaced quite far apart. I use a Fishman Loudbox and a Crate Acoustic (I downloaded "Rich Stereo Chorus" into my Yamaha Magistomp Pedal: Thanks Shroeder for that tip; the signal splits dramatically). Jeff uses two power monitors, a Sythesizer and a few other effects. Seems to work fairly well in the small rooms we play. |
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Location: N.J. | Another one to try is instead of one chorus effect to thicken things up is to use a slight chorus in conjunction with a slight pitch shift or detune effect.Even if you just use the detune effect by itself,if used subtle, sounds quite nice and not very processed. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I always play true stereo through two Acoustasonic Juniors (w/DSP) that feed into a Yamaha stereo sound reinforcement system. I pan the channels wide out, and switch between chorus with reverb, and reverb with a little delay. |
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