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Location: Farmington, MO. 63640 | I,ve bought a lot of different things on E-bay and have generally been satisfied with the purchases. For the sake of saving typing time please view this "Ovation" guitar that I have relisted. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=901585499.
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Location: NJ | just looking at the pic of the back is a dead giveaway to me. did he have a pic of the back? looks like some sort of ovation decal on the headstock? is that fake too? |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | That sucks. I hope you're turning him in for fraud! I was just reading an article last week about a group of people who watch E-bay for frauds like trdrop. I hope you can hang that SOB.
How did you pay him?
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Location: Farmington, MO. 63640 | I paid him with a money order and I still have the copy. I figured you guys would get a kick out of it. |
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Location: Pennsylvania | Man, that's just awful! I'm so sorry! I'd file a lawsuit or something! Geez! |
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Location: Parkersburg, WV | It makes you wonder about the amount of time and energy that went into producing this fake! I'm not sure of the procedure that E-bay uses to resolve rip-offs, but if they want YOU to prove it, connect them with this web site/string. I'm sure you will have the support of several hundred knowledgeable people that will support your claim.
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Location: Farmington, MO. 63640 | I just checked my ebay page and see that "trdrops", has left ME negative feedback. What an A--hole, said he never received my email to resolve the problem. I've never had any problems with my email before, I don't want my money back, I want to see this scum in jail. I believe anyone who views the item will be able to come to their own conclusion.
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Location: Scotland | I think this may be a case of Caveat Emptor, but it may be worth contacting ebay's third party mediator, Square Trade. I sold a studio mike to a guy in the USA, whose payment bounced after the mike was shipped, he wouldn't respond to emails, when he did he was very aggressive. I got Square Trade involved & they sorted it in within a week.
There's a link to Square Trade from Ebay.
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Location: Farmington, MO. 63640 | Thanks Paul, I'll look into that
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Location: Pensacola,FL | Jayroc,
Here's the place in eBay to go
eBay fraud protection ;)
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Location: Farmington, MO. 63640 | Thanks OGL1
After the required time that ebay states, you can bet that I'll be forming a complaint.
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Location: Zion, Illinois | The group that monitors fraud follow crooks like this around e-bay. If they have any sales they e-mail the high bidder. If they are buying anything they e-mail the seller. He is currently high-bidder on a camera I think. Send your link and explaination to the seller and get him booted.
Selling phoney mechandise as the real thing, and that IS what he did, is fraud and you should be able to do something. Can you stop payment on that money order?
I had 1 seller tell me to always use postal money orders, something to do with being federal money makes it a bigger sin. Don't know if that's true, but it sounds good.
Good luck,
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Location: NJ | I have sold and bought many items on ebay. Most of them were pleasant experiences there were some exceptions. I was reported to e bay fraud maybe twice.
from my experience I can tell you that e bay does almost nothing to intervene between buyer and seller unless it is a blatant fraud or illegal activity. In this case it is fraud but proving it may be difficult. the seller told you there was no label or serial number the seller showed pictures that clearly to my eye do not represent an Ovation guitar. In his feeble mind he probably thinks it is an ovation and he did nothing wrong or he was taken by someone else.
In any event I wish you well in trying to get resolution to this. I am not sure if you ever will. Also remember that if you e mail other bidders about items this guy may be selling and the original seller finds out he can report you for spamming to ebay and they would be MORE likely to boot you than him for selling something in a misrepresented fashion.
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Location: Farmington, MO. 63640 | I doubt that I can cancel the money order but its a thought. I want to Thank everyone for the support and compassion that you've shown to a newcomer on this forum.THANKS(shouting)Just so everyone knows,I'm not a whiner and the $150.00 sure isn't going to break me nor will it keep me from bidding on anymore guitars or anything else that interests me. My main goal now is to get sellers that are thiefs OFF the Ebay site so no one else gets took. Thanks again
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Location: NJ | My first inkling is (since we have this clown's e-mail address) to "carpet bomb" him with 400 negative e-mail messages. But like Al said, for we know this idiot might not know Ovation from Ovaltine, unsuspectingly bought it from some other scumbag under the guise that it was genuine, and tried reselling for a quick profit. (Although the fact that he "blew off" Jayroc's e-mail makes him a bit suspicious). For all intents and purposes, he can claim that he was selling something that he unknowingly believed to be genuine.
Yet another instance for me to avoid eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeBay. (The Ned Beatty version) |
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Location: Farmington, MO. 63640 | After second thoughts I have removed his email address, like you said it wouldn't solve anything anyway. The only reason I listed it was because you can't leave a comment on the feedback section when you are POed in 80 characters or less. I had lots to say, I said what I wanted and I do believe what goes around comes around. Actually the experience has added spice to my somewhat simple being. Buying anything on ebay or any other auction site is a gamble but is still better than going to the casino boats in St. Louis. My form of gambling I suppose.
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Location: Zion, Illinois | I believe you can leave 1 more follow-up comment to the negative feedback you've already given him, see this link to the deadbeat who won 3 bids without paying, 2 on the same day
E-bay DeadBeat Buyer
If you check out trdrops other ads you'll see that he is also trying to pass off a cheapo guitar as a real Fender.
Sorry you got took, hope you can stop payment on a money order. The other poster is probably right, you start e-mailing people about him, E-bay will come after you. Strange world we live in.
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Location: Pensacola,FL | Well, if he was trying to sell something else "he ain't now" - his seller page is blank, nothing for sale (a good omen? Hmmmmmmmmm....) :D |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | I was looking at his past sell's. He's not selling anything now. He was selling a couple of phoney guitars and trying to pass them off as real Fenders.
Strange, he seems to have gotten only 1 bid out of all of his ads (about 9 ads). I wonder who would be foo..... Never mind. :D
Maybe JayRoc and NorseMan1 should start a branch of E-Bay Anonymous? :rolleyes:
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Jayroc
I bought a fake Gibson 12 string in my younger days when I was not too knowledgable about instruments. It was advertised in a classified as a Gibson 12 string, and I had to meet the seller at a friend's house to look at it. The price was quite low and the guitar was somewhat beat up but playable and had all the Gibson features, sunburst finish, Gibson headstock etc., so I bought it. Turns out it was made in Mexico. The seller, I think, was taken too and was just passing it on to the next guy. All in all the guitar was playable and may have sounded better than a real G 12 string. As somebody said , caveat emptor, make lemonade. When I got tired of it , Bill from Poway Music and I turned it into an acoustic bass because it had this strong neck and enormous body (we were trying to build an American guitarron), unfortunately we were before our time. Now, I think even Ovation has an acoustic bass.
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Location: Farmington, MO. 63640 | Like you said Bailey I'll try to make lemonade. I now have a guitar that my drunken uncle can play when he comes to my house. He has a G----n J45 that looks like Willie Nelson owned it, can't understand why I won't let him handle any of mine when he shows up without it.
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Also have a brass plate made to mount on it saying "Custom Built for Jayroc", your uncle might even buy it. |
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Location: Farmington, MO. 63640 | Good idea Bailey if only he would stay drunk.
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