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Location: Alabama/Georgia | My 1979 flat top acoustic electric Ovation top needs to be re-glued to its body.
What kind of glue does the Ovation factory use to attach tops? Do they use the same kind of glue to reattach those that have come apart?
Does this problem of detachment happen often?
How have other Ovation owners dealt with this problem?
My guitar seemed to begin coming apart when a small portion of the binding became lose. Later the whole top pulled out of the body.
Isn't this essentially a manufacturing or design defect?
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Location: Pensacola,FL | "1979" as in 23 years old? If so, it has a lot to do with how the guitar was stored over the years. Both heat and cold are "killers" of guitars or their component parts (glue being one of them).
At the first sign of something coming apart, that is when a repair should be affected, the longer it goes unrepaired the worse it will get (guess I didn't have to tell you that :rolleyes: ). As far as putting the top back on "correctly", I will
let some of the others relate their experiences to
you, (I've re-glued wood instruments, but haven't repaired an Ovation/Applause as of yet). |
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Location: Scotland | I think they use an epoxy compound of some type, Bill should be able to confirm that. Epoxy is usually far more robust than traditional luthierie glues, has the guitar had a hard time? |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Paul
Shouldn't all instrument adhesives be heat sensitive so a repair can be made? An epoxy joint is permanent and unreversable at least without destroying the materials that are joined. I thought that instrument adhesives are centuries old and a major factor in instrument repair. That makes them sensitive to temperature extremes but also makes them repairable. Did Ovation violate this tradition?
Bailey
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Location: Scotland | Bailey, Ovation violated quite a few traditions in luthierie, which is one of the reasons I think we like them. I've just noticed that CWK2 has confirmed in another post that epoxies were used. I'd guess that for wood to wood joints they may use a traditional glue, but bonding spruce to fibreglass would need something else.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Bailey, Did you say Violate?? I love it when you talk like that!! I bet you were talking like that in Va Bch (oh sorry, we're not supposed to talk about that!) |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | dubyatoo
Sorry, did I just forget who is supposed to throw the first stone. The word I meant to use was innovate, my keyboard twisted up my meaning.
My cousin barged into the doctor's office and said "My wife sent me here to get castrated." the doctor said "are you sure" he said "I don't argue with my wife". the doctor proceeded with the operation in his office , and when done, asked "While were at it I might as well circumcise you." "Circumcise, THAT'S what she sent me for!" The proper word is important, "innovate the traditions" sounds much better.
Bailey
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Location: Alabama/Georgia | Regarding the surgery story in the last post: none of that "applies" since my guitar is female.
Anyway, I still need to find out about the glue. If epoxy was used in 1979 to assemble this instrument then it was certainly not a permanent adhesive as epoxy is thought to be.
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Location: Pensacola,FL | In the world of "composites" there are many types of epoxy. They are formulated to adhere to different types of materials with different amounts of "adhesion" (kind of like the difference between scotch tape and duct tape :D ).
So one that would adhere to the bowl AND the wood top,be "elastic" enough to hold them securely yet be "removable" in case repair is required would be a special mixture and not like the 5 minute epoxy that everyone is familiar with that hardens
to "rock" status and remains that way. ( 2 cents worth from a former aerospace composites worker). |
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