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DarK_NiNjA
Posted 2002-09-24 5:37 AM (#217884)
Subject: So nobody has a rough price on this????


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take a look at it and can u tell me when it was made approximatley. Also anyone know how much it could be worth?????? My Solid Body
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Beal
Posted 2002-09-24 2:52 PM (#217885 - in reply to #217884)
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Late 80's

$250-400 maybe????
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alpep
Posted 2002-09-24 3:14 PM (#217886 - in reply to #217884)
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that is a generous estimate
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Rich
Posted 2002-09-24 3:34 PM (#217887 - in reply to #217884)
Subject: Re: So nobody has a rough price on this????


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Didn't we cover this already?? While maybe not providing a solid dollar amount, there were lots of "...it's worth whatever someone will pay you for it..." type comments. Are you planning on selling it?
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innerman
Posted 2002-09-24 7:02 PM (#217888 - in reply to #217884)
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I would say between $1 and $800, definitely.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2002-09-24 8:55 PM (#217889 - in reply to #217884)
Subject: Re: So nobody has a rough price on this????


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I think that we can narrow this down a bit more. How about somewhere between $5 and $500.

Seriously, the only way to determine a market price for something is to see what the market is willing to pay. Put it on ebay on a 10 day auction. Start the bidding at a buck and put your reserve at what you want for it. If it hits the reserve, take it and be happy. If it doesn't, then at least you'll know what the market is and you can always contact the high bidder and strike a deal.

What's so hard about this? This is about the third time I've given this advice. The world would be a much better place if everybody just listened to me.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2002-09-24 9:28 PM (#217890 - in reply to #217884)
Subject: Re: So nobody has a rough price on this????


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They sold for about $250 in the 80's. I'd say if it was in MINT condition, with a case, you might get $200-$300 for it, but not much more. Personally I think it should be worth more, but the reality is, unless you find "THE" buyer, anyone can buy a brand new, similar import guitar (BC Rich, Ibanez, Kramer, Schecter) for under $400.00.
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Tommy Darensbourg
Posted 2002-09-24 10:14 PM (#217891 - in reply to #217884)
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Yes, everyone should just listen to Paul. He knows his s**t.

Did I say that right, Paul?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2002-09-24 10:18 PM (#217892 - in reply to #217884)
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Your check's in the mail Tommy.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2002-09-25 7:54 AM (#217893 - in reply to #217884)
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So, the consenus isn't far away from the value I estimated when the question was first posted. I'd go with Paul M's suggestion of dollar auction with a reserve of what you'd let it go for, anything over that is a bonus.

Paul
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2002-09-25 11:05 AM (#217894 - in reply to #217884)
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Paul's "plan" is a good one, set the reserve to what YOU feel the guitar is worth, but also...do not get discouraged if it doesn't get bids or more importantly not meet your reserve. At least you will know what folks are willing to pay. Funny thing about eBay is that there are no rules. I have seen items sell for rediculous prices both too much and too little. I bought a Deacon for $350 recently and saw a basic Viper go for 500+, and I've seen magnums list as high as $1000 but I don't think I ever paid more than about $400.

If you plan to sell it... set the price YOU feel it's worth. Don't be shy about it! You may have to re-list it a couple of times, but chances are SOMEONE will buy it at whatever the price, if you get bored re-listing... wait some time, maybe lower the price, etc...
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alpep
Posted 2002-09-25 11:27 AM (#217895 - in reply to #217884)
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currently e bay prices are soft due to the time of year economy and 9/11
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Rich
Posted 2002-10-03 5:55 PM (#217896 - in reply to #217884)
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Saw this on ebay and remembered this thread:
Ovation GTX which originally initially a buy it now price of $75.00 (to the first bidder only):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=910872740
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2002-10-03 6:03 PM (#217897 - in reply to #217884)
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This is a seemigly especially nice example. I hope it goes for a decent price... but it's not looking promising if someone was already bidding to try and beat the $75.00 Buy It Now.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2002-10-03 6:59 PM (#217898 - in reply to #217884)
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As long as we're talking guitars on ebay, this just came up, if somebody is interested in Viper pickups.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=911076729
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Beal
Posted 2002-10-03 8:01 PM (#217899 - in reply to #217884)
Subject: Re: So nobody has a rough price on this????



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Having followed Ebay for a while now I think it's safe to spout the following. It's an alright guide for finding out what the bottom of the market price is for your instrument. I see things going for alot less than they do in real stores. Yes, this is a generalization and I'm sure there can be many examples to prove this wrong but here's an example: I've seen UK2's go on Ebay for the 300ish range. I've had several sold out of stores for the 650 range. Everyone on Ebay is looking for a "deal" (that's why we go there, isn't it?) It seems to me that the high end stuff doesn't get much action but the bottom does. If you go into a store and see a "cherry" piece the price will more than likely be higher than Ebay. It might be on the wall for a while but eventually it will find a customer.

When we talk about what a guitar is worth this needs to be added into the equation too.

OK, I'm done. Anybody agree with this? or am I drinking my bathwater again......
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2002-10-03 10:28 PM (#217900 - in reply to #217884)
Subject: Re: So nobody has a rough price on this????


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I agree with you, as that has been my experience also. If the store can afford to have the guitar sit.. they will eventually find a buyer. In many cases those guitars may even have come from eBay. Folks with stores, realize that there is still a significant population that does not use a computer or the internet. I feel sorry for the buyers and happy for the sellers. I think the spin of gBase is an online version of the stores.. Put as high a price as possible and either someone will just pay it, no questions asked... or, if they are really interested, they will try to talk the price down.

But for the non-store common folks that ask what their guitar is currently worth...I agree a UKII is in the $500.00 range at least... but I know of no store that will pay that for one. The only hope is consignment, or to put it on eBay with a high reserve and re-list it until it sells. But as you have noted.. they have only been getting in the $300 range... hence... that is the current market value as far as I can see.

Worth for insurance purposes... that's a whole other story.

One other observation I have made on this eBay vs Ovation in particular... other than the few that get away dirt cheap (and that really is the time of year I think).. Ovations at least hold thier value. I would like to see them grow in value, but I think something can be said for a 400ish guitar like the Viper, still selling for 400ish. Again.. right now there seems to be a slump and some bargains to be had...

[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: Mr. Ovation ]
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2002-10-03 10:51 PM (#217901 - in reply to #217884)
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You guys are talking wholesale vs. retail.
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Beal
Posted 2002-10-04 8:39 PM (#217902 - in reply to #217884)
Subject: Re: So nobody has a rough price on this????



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I was trying to stay focused on the retail since that's what we all think of as the "value" of our instruments. My point was that ebay is generally the bottom point and probably 30-50% lower that what the true "market value" is. The blue bdwnr going for 360ish is a steal, I would think that is more in the 750 area. A black or white in the 400-500. A tan 600-700.
In what little I've looked at the Martins it seems the "good ones" (brazilian 50's etc) don't get much interest since they're asking 5K-15K or more. The action seems to be more at the low end of the market. Yet go into a great Wintage shop and look at 50's guitars there and the asking price is up there (frankly where it should be).
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Beal
Posted 2002-10-04 8:44 PM (#217903 - in reply to #217884)
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Maybe Paul was right after all and we should just listen to him.

How did you sell that to the wife? Give us all a few pointers here! It would be nice to be able to say that "I'm the boss of the family" without having to add that she's given permission to say that.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2002-10-04 8:53 PM (#217904 - in reply to #217884)
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It's easier to ask forgivness than permission?


Any man who thinks that he runs his household is a fool. At best, you fund the household and then hold on. It has a life of its own and men are not in control of that. Wives, kids, and pets are in control of the house. Certainly not men.
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