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Location: Wooster, Ohio | I have two guitars I use out. One is a 1993 Collectors which is an elite which I believe introduced the mid-depth bowl. It is really a very good acoustic guitar with op24 electronics. The other is a doubleneck Celebrity which is a shallow bowl. I run them through a Genz Benz Shenendoah 200 stereo amp. The Celebrity which is not the best acoustically is great at any volume. The 1993 which is great accoustically feeds back like crazy. I have to back off the bass amost totally on the guitar to reduce it. Are good acoustic guitars just more pron to this reverberation. Are the newer version of the elite less pron to this?
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Location: Upper Left USA | I see the question being which preamp or add on will work for you and not so much which model.
I have a notch filter on the OP50 of my CL12 and it is excellant when playing next to the Bass Player (bless his heart). The deeper bowls offer acoustic enhancement but bring the feedback issues with them.
There are after market gadgets that can do the same as a notch filter! |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | Interesting, it was playing next to our bass player which has caused me the most problems.
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Location: Upper Left USA | Get the gadget or shoot the Bass Player? :rolleyes: |
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Location: NJ | Get a set of airlocks (or "FeedbackBusters" as they're marketed). They're just black rubber plugs that easily pop in/out of your soundholes and do a really good job at cutting feedback when playing with over-enthusiastic bassplayers . . . |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | I play in a Christian band, so my option of shooting the bass player though appealing are somewhat limited.
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Location: SoCal | can always unplug him... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Great idea Tony.
So what do I do with all the bodies...
Actually, when the site is fixed - do a search on feedback and there were some very nice posts on the widgets that can cancel the cycling frequency.
Any of the Pauls able to help here? |
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Location: SoCal | I said "unplug", not "plug"
The bass player probably wouldn't even notice... |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | If this is as common as you say, it certainly makes me think that a round hole (one plug) would be an advantage over all the plugs I am going to have to do with an elite.
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Location: NJ | . . . just take into consideration that you'll have to squeeze that one big rubber plug UNDER your strings (at tension) to get it in (and out) of the sound hole. It CAN be done (I used t'do it all the time), but it does take a bit of doing.
Six of One, half a Dozen of the Other . . . . |
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | if you play with amps behind you, especially the bass, the thinner more sensitive tops will react in a mechanical sense to the vibrations and pulses from other amps (and you own). i played a rainbird on stage (super light unbraced carbon fiber) and it was a nightmare to keep under control, even with a notch filter. it's a piezo/mic combo and i can't use the mic in live gig on a small stage. moving the bass player to the other side of the stage really helped. the round back of an ovation helps allot, as it more reflective rather than resonant.
an adamas i bought from cwkII has small velcro tabs inside around the soundhole areas. not a bad idea for attaching a feedback control cloth that won't be visable to the audience on the multi hole style guitars.
feedback seems to go with the acoustic gig territory. recording gives you more room to find a physical sweet spot. the more amps, mics and solid body instruments in the mix, the more i find i have to be aware of how they will affect what my guitar might do that i don't intend it to do. i play mostly solid body guitars at gigs anymore to avoid problems.
i am far from being a sound engineer and have a great deal of respect for anyone who can make everything work for instead of against the musicians. |
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Location: Central Oregon | Put a little duct tape over the holes. Easy, effective, adjustable & the look is all the rage! I even got a duct tape wallet for Christmas. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Actually the 93 REintroduced the mid bowl since it used to be the shallow bowl and then discontinued.
The guitar Russ is talking about had the velcro dots on the under side of the top and the other side of the black velcro was on wood pannels the size of the hole area and they would just pop on. To pull it off just take off the door and reach in and pull it off. The handle was a strap knob. |
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