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Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"

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Yak
Posted 2007-02-27 7:50 AM (#113092)
Subject: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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How do you determine which "F" someone intended you to use, when they write chords, like you would see on the Tab sites. I prefer X03211 to 133211 for obvious reasons. Is there any rule as to when one just works better? 133211 is fuller, but similar, can you just substitue one for the other at any time?
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gh1
Posted 2007-02-27 8:01 AM (#113093 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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Depends on the structure of the song: where the melody notes are and what the bass line is doing.

However, if your just strumming chords and using the guitar to accompany your voice, it's probably not going to matter which one your using.

As in most things: decide for yourself what works for you and what doesn't.

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gh1
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alpep
Posted 2007-02-27 8:19 AM (#113094 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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when it doubt cowboy chords are the default.
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Mitchrx
Posted 2007-02-27 8:47 AM (#113095 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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X33211 is another way to play F. You can do an alternating bass on the 4th and 5th strings.
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Beal
Posted 2007-02-27 8:58 AM (#113096 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"



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087565
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-02-27 12:39 PM (#113097 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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Or there's always 13;12;10;10;10;13 if you've got GINORMOUS hands that have no idea what a real cramp is ('cause they will afterwards).
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-02-27 12:59 PM (#113098 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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I though this was a question about Conversational New Yawkese
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Weaser P
Posted 2007-02-27 1:01 PM (#113099 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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Could be - never met one myself.

Unless you consider gestures conversation.
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2007-02-27 2:38 PM (#113100 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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..."F" Chord? ..yeah, right. Like there really IS an "F" chord..... :rolleyes:
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Beal
Posted 2007-02-27 5:23 PM (#113101 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"



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don't tell Moody......
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an4340
Posted 2007-02-27 6:06 PM (#113102 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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Use the first finger to mute the high e string.
Use your thumb to muter the low e and a strings.

I don't know what you call it, but I use it for an f major chord when playing a bo diddley, reggae or punk rhthym. Lot's easier for a simp like me.
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Jason_S
Posted 2007-02-27 6:08 PM (#113103 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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even thats too hard for a simp like me...i just stick the the 4 first position chords..lol jason
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Omaha
Posted 2007-02-27 6:19 PM (#113104 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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Back to the original question...in my mind it comes down to what you are reading. If the author/composer really thinks it is important to play a particular chord in a particular way, he should spell that out with a diagram. Standard chord notation is completely ambiguous. I've never sat down and tried to figure out how many ways there are to play an F chord, but there's a bunch.

So, unless the music tells you something different, play it however you want. Just listen to it and make sure it sounds good.

But you should also be fluent in the major barre chord shapes: E, A and C. The F chord is just the E shape with a barre behind it. The F chord posted above by cwk2 can be thought of as a C chord shape played with a barre at the fifth fret.

There's lots of ways to do it. Try them all!
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MWoody
Posted 2007-02-27 6:38 PM (#113105 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"



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The actual chord-ination depends on the actual key you are in and the finger phrasing of the udder chords. Less movement is better.
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Nasdtrader
Posted 2007-02-27 9:49 PM (#113106 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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"Rock, hit the one in the middle"..

sorry, that probably doesn't help. but it might, so i post it.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-02-27 10:31 PM (#113107 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"



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Originally posted by an4340:
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Use the first finger to mute the high e string.
Use your thumb to muter the low e and a strings.

I don't know what you call it, but I use it for an f major chord when playing a bo diddley, reggae or punk rhthym. Lot's easier for a simp like me.
That is the lazy-man's F... I use it allatime. Unless I HAVE to use the full bar(re) version.
'cept I don't mute nuthin, I just don't hit the E & A, but I do hit the little e. I adds a nice little ping. Works well on some CSN&Y stuff.
[Someone might tell us that it is an F7]
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Paulcc1
Posted 2007-02-27 10:42 PM (#113108 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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I think it's an Fmaj7
Pauly
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Shot in the Dark
Posted 2007-02-28 12:17 AM (#113109 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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On some pieces it seems you need to go with the full bar because hitting the (low F) baseline note and then getting to a lazy F is even harder.

I'm new and it's all hard for me, so I decided to just learn the hard one and get it over with.

It's like learning to drive on a stick (not automatic) or fly in a taildragger (not a nosewheel.) Better in the long run.

Words of wisdom from he who knows nothing.
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ozwatto
Posted 2007-02-28 6:21 AM (#113110 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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If it feels good..do it :cool:
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Capo Guy
Posted 2007-02-28 8:13 AM (#113111 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"



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Originally posted by Tim Chapman:
..."F" Chord? ..yeah, right. Like there really IS an "F" chord..... :rolleyes:
There is an F chord, but not for banjos. :D
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2007-02-28 8:20 AM (#113112 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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....that explains a lot!
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an4340
Posted 2007-02-28 8:30 AM (#113113 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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Arthur,
This F
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Is a power chord, ala the metal and or punk world. I use a bar on the first fret that mutes the three high strings, and then the middle finger to bar the low e and a.

These little tricks let me do things I normally shouldn't be able to do. Musically speaking.
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-02-28 4:42 PM (#113114 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"



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xx7565 is a usefull F chord in a couple YES songs.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2007-03-02 3:33 PM (#113115 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"



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Originally posted by an4340:

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I don't know what you call it, but I use it for an f major chord when playing a bo diddley, reggae or punk rhthym. Lot's easier for a simp like me.
I use it this way as a muted Fmaj7.
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2007-03-02 4:34 PM (#113116 - in reply to #113092)
Subject: Re: Silly Question.... How do you know which "F"


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After a case o`beer U could n`t care less..U would n`t be able too... :)

Vic :cool:
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