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Location: Nashville TN. | http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20070723/D8QIEFCG0.html |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Its an interesting question...how do you quantify the percentage contribution from a group effort?
Personally, I really enjoy those times when you get the group vibe just perfect and the ideas are flowing and things just come together like magic. Its wonderful.
I think Lennon and McCartney got it right when they agreed early on to publish everything under both of their names. Everyone knows which songs are John's and which are Paul's, but they all say "Lennon and McCartney" in the credits. |
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Location: Winnipeg, CANADA | I think it's a hard life, trying to do everything.I don't think that we were designed to be self-sufficient...God gave each of us a great gift, a talent, but not everyone has the same talents, or all talents....
After reading this article, I think that we should all work on developing our talents...the talents of honesty and integrity. Those are things that no one can take from you, no matter what.
As for musicians, songwriters, singers, etc...if we followed what the Bible says, ie. Love God, love your neighbour, we would be fair to one another.....
As musical artists, pride so often gets in the way of truth, honour and respect....
All we can do is be policemen for ourselves, and not let what others do or who others are determine who we are or what we do.
We can continue to follow a true leader....Jesus. |
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Location: NJ | this is not a today issue. in the 50's there were the song writers and the singers. some time in the 60's they came together and now you need to be both so you "collaborate"
if the song is good who cares? as long as everyone gets their piece of the pie. |
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Location: Waurika OK | Originally posted by alpep:
as long as everyone gets their piece of the pie. The song, "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" was written by a man in Africa, yet he never recieved a penny. Only in the few years or so has his heirs been given some money. Others made many dollars over the years |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | I'm pretty sure Johnny Lee did not write "Looking for Love", his major hit back in the 70's and featured in the movie Urban Cowboy. It was written by two talented girls from Gulfport, Ms. who sold him the "rights" to it for, I'm sure, what SEEMED like a lot of money at the time.
I doubt if you'll find their names credited with it anywhere. |
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Location: North Carolina | A lot of the writing credits listed are bogus, part of a deal. Look at the credits on Elvis' early hits. Who was the other guy? Otis Blackwell, IIRC? There's your writer.
I also don't believe for an instant that Barbra Streisand had any hand in writing "Evergreen", yet she's listed as co-writer with Paul Williams. Yeah, I'll just bet the two of them were huddled around the piano for hours coming up with ideas. Gimme a break. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I'm pretty sure Johnny Lee did not write "Looking for Love", his major hit back in the 70's and featured in the movie Urban Cowboy. It was written by two talented girls from Gulfport, Ms. who sold him the "rights" to it for, I'm sure, what SEEMED like a lot of money at the time.
I doubt if you'll find their names credited with it anywhere.
A lot of the writing credits listed are bogus, part of a deal. Look at the credits on Elvis' early hits. Who was the other guy? Otis Blackwell, IIRC? There's your writer.
I also don't believe for an instant that Barbra Streisand had any hand in writing "Evergreen", yet she's listed as co-writer with Paul Williams. Yeah, I'll just bet the two of them were huddled around the piano for hours coming up with ideas. Gimme a break.
This stuff happened all the time while I was in Nashville working for WB WC song publishing division in 1990; Back then it was "suggested" to the songwriters (each Publisher had its stable of writers) to co-write with the artists--sometimes it was a word or two and sometimes it was a good mix; also "theft of ideas" from the younger writers or newbie’s by the Artists so they could claim songwriting credits was epidemic (it happened to me and several of my friends)...I chose to leave and get a life...I'm quite sure it still goes on today... |
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Location: NJ | a local guy I know claims to have written "can't you see" that marshall tucker hit. claims he got some cash and was promised a fence around the moon and stars and it never happened.
I have no clue if it is true or not but he did a great version of the tune. |
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| I think it started happening 10 minutes after the first stone age man banged 2 rocks together.
The sad truth is that whoever you meet up with in the music business you'd better assume they will rip you off at the drop of a hat until proven otherwise. There are lots of good guys in the business, but even people you've known and worked with for years will do the dirty on you when you least expect it.
Money pretty much is the root of all evil. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by schroeder:
Money pretty much is the root of all evil. Ah, but also the source of so much good! :cool:
Truth be told, those legendary music biz rectal orrifeces would be just as weaselly in any other industry. It's just that musicians, by and large, are such easy victims. Where the food flourishes there you will find the predator. |
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| I resemble that remark. (as in easy victim - not predator. I kinda wish, but my head just doesn't work that way. It's not that I wouldn't rip you off, I just never think about it.) |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | I'm not ripping you off....
...I'm just feeding my family!
(Mama lion to mama gazelle) |
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Location: Waurika OK | Originally posted by schroeder:
Money pretty much is the root of all evil. I agree with that, with the addition of one word:
The Love of money is the root of all evil.
I have a lawyer friend that is well advanced in years and has seen it all, his take on it is that all problems stem from greed. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Putting on my musician cap ... I'd say
Money ... it's a gas, grab that stash with both hands and make a dash ... don't give me that good goody Bullshit ... why does anybody do anything ...
Of course, I think Mr. Floyd was being ironic. Pass the doobie please. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Not at all,
Roger was at his most honest and lucid with the lyrics to Money IMO. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | They ain't joking...
Most of PF's stuff is personal experience!
Have A Cigar, Comfortably Numb, Brain Damage, Wish You Were Here...
The Wall (the whole album)
The rest is Poignant Opinion--- The Final Cut |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | It all depends on whether or not the artist has a reputable manager (and someone to keep check on them).
Flo and Eddie explain(???) the troubles The Turtles got themselves into, way-back-when, in this clip.
The Turtles |
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Location: south east Michigan | Great Turtles clip.
Brings to mind the mess that Billy Joel found himself in. |
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by xnoel:
I have a lawyer friend that is well advanced in years and has seen it all, his take on it is that all problems stem from greed. My marketing director has a mantra related to all of our activities ... all people's motivations can be explained by one of two things -- fear or greed. |
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Singer-Songwriters, or Just Singers?
