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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | While researching the A-bracing used on Ovation Legend and Custom Legend guitars in preparation for my next restoration project, I was looking on the Ovation Tribute site for old brochures. I happened upon a couple of documents that describe how Ovation attempted to replicated the sound of '50-year-old' guitars. The first item I ran across was the brochure from 1974. (See: 1974 Ovation Custom Legend US Info Sheet) It had the text, "Today, everyone is talking about 50-year-old guitars and tops that are thin and flexible. Well, for the last six years we have been working on building a guitar that would have the same sounds as a 50-year-old guitar, and we did it by developing a new top-bracing design that has never been used before. Together with this, we have pre-selected Sitka spruce tops that have a specific deflection range." Boy, does that sound familiar! What is old is new again. Deflection testing is nothing new in luthery. A lot of luthiers use top-wood deflection testing to determine which wood will produce the acoustic response they're looking for in their latest project. But, attempting to reproduce the sound of 50-year-old guitars was very cutting-edge. So, I started looking at the Ovation Tribute site's historical documents and I found the following document concerning the treatment of top wood to replicate the response of the tops found on "50-year-old" wood. See: Ovation 1537 Super Legend Doc #02 (1980) What this document shows is that, in 1980, Charlie was attempting to re-create the sound of old guitar on newly constructed guitars using chemicals to crystallize the wood fibers of the top wood. (glacial acetic acid & calcium acetate) A lot of people have stated that the 1537 Elite is one of the best-sounding guitars ever produced by Ovation. What these documents show is that this guitar was not a serediputous combination of the quintaid bracing and wood top, but a methodical effort to create the best-sounding guitar using the technicology available at the time. He was, in 198?, attempting to accomplish via chemistry, what has been realized in the 21st Century through torrefaction. (See: Ovation 1537 Super Legend Doc #09 (198?)' Here are the steps: 1) Soak the wood at 20% Pota??? dioxide. a) appearance Torrefaction is able to re-create the mechanical properties of '50-year-old' wood by crystallizing the wood fibers by putting the tone wood into a autoclave which provides both high temperatures and low pressures. These documents show that Charlie was on the right track and was 40 years ahead of his time. Edited by DanSavage 2016-08-30 9:36 PM | ||
arumako |
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1034 Location: Yokohama, Japan | Thanks for the info Dan! It looks like Mr. Kaman's philosophy always kept Ovation on the cutting edge in more ways than I ever realized. Also, looks like you've gone torrefied and you're never looking back! Can't wait to follow your new project. | ||
marenostrum |
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Joined: August 2007 Posts: 1008 Location: Tuscany, Italy | Thank you Dan. Despite I constantly read old docs on the OT website I did not noticed those you mentioned. It would be interesting to know if this experimentation / test provided the wanted results.... | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Thanks, guys. This could also be an economic decision as one of the documents noted the increased cost of the chemicals with the price of calcium acetate alone being 600% more expensive in 1980 vs. 1974. Beal would be the one to know whether the process produced the desired results and for how long it was used in production, if at all. Edited by DanSavage 2016-08-31 4:54 PM | ||
Beal |
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Joined: January 2002 Posts: 14127 Location: 6 String Ranch | didn't reach desired results so never used. | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | arumako - 2016-08-30 9:27 PM Also, looks like you've gone torrefied and you're never looking back! Can't wait to follow your new project. Yep. I can't see any reason to use non-torrefied wood for guitar tops. My next project will actually be to restore/rebuild two guitars at once. One is a 1996 1617-4, which will get torrefied A-braces & top. The other is a 1981 1111-4 which will get torrefied modified-x braces & top. Ibanez recently introduced their Thermo Aged series of guitars with torrefied tops/braces. One of the models even features torrefied mahogany sides and back wood. The braces on the back and sides of that particular model are also torrefied, for a completely torrefied body. | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Beal - 2016-08-31 3:03 PM didn't reach desired results so never used. Makes sense. Thanks for the reply. | ||
moody, p.i. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15664 Location: SoCal | A lot of guitar makers are offering torrefied tops and sides. From Takamine to Bourgeois. Dan, my 1113 is the one guitar that gets played every single day! I'm about to put Savarez Alliance Corum strings on it. Temp says that have a really strong treble response. Hearing about your new projects got me thinking. How about a Balladeer, acoustic only, from the 70's-early 80's, retopped with an torrefied addy top and braces, A braced, and set up for medium gauge strings? Look plain but carry a big sound....... | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Hi Paul, I'm glad to hear you're getting good use out of your 1113. Yep. We could do that. | ||
moody, p.i. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15664 Location: SoCal | Have to see how your 1617 turns out. I may start watching for the starter guitar. | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Yeah, I'm curious what a torrefied a-brace O is going to sound like, too. | ||
moody, p.i. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15664 Location: SoCal | Addy or sitka? | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Mine is going to use Sitka for the braces and top. | ||
moody, p.i. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15664 Location: SoCal | Why? | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Because they work well and are cheap to buy. | ||
Jonmark Stone |
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Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1555 Location: Indiana | This is going to be fun to watch. | ||
arumako |
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1034 Location: Yokohama, Japan | Jonmark Stone - 2016-09-03 12:23 PM This is going to be fun to watch. +1! So...does that mean you're going to cut your braces from torrefied stock, Dan? | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Hi Ken, Yes. The A-braces will be torrefied Sitka. I personally believe that this is the best way to build a torrefied top. | ||
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