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paofab
Posted 2014-07-24 5:10 AM (#490828)
Subject: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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Recently I've bought a Pacemaker mod. 1615 from 1981. My luthier having some trouble to correctly setup the neck because the tension rod nut is ruined, in other words the surface is no hexagonal but quite circular And he can not spin it. I should find a new tension rod nut to replace the original. In Italy is very hard to find it, anyone of you (lucky guys who lived in your wonderful country) can help me?

Edited by paofab 2014-07-24 5:36 AM
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MWoody
Posted 2014-07-24 8:22 AM (#490831 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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http://www.stewmac.com/Luthier_Tools/Essential_Tool_Kits/Truss_Rod_...
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DanSavage
Posted 2014-07-24 9:08 AM (#490832 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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Is your luthier able to unscrew the nut from the truss rod?

If so, please post a photo of it.

Edited by DanSavage 2014-07-24 9:09 AM
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Geostorm98
Posted 2014-07-24 12:54 PM (#490834 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: RE: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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Hello paofab and thank you for your kind words about the USA.

Yes, you need a new brass adjustment nut. Being a 1981 your guitar has the Kbar style neck with the adjustment nut inside the bowl. The nut is (approx) 2" long, 1/2" dia, and is tapped for 10/32 thread on one end and broached 3/16" hex on the other.

Owing to the fact the adjustment nut is brass, stripping them out is an all too common issue. The designers felt this was an important feature in that stripping out the nut is vastly preferrable to stripping the thread on the tension rod. The nut is (was) easily replaced; a stripped tension rod is worst case scenario. However now that Ovation is gone....

These aren't made anymore. We supplied hundreds of thousands of them to Ovation but discontinued production when the new LX necks came along.

It's possible, if the Ovation/Takamine Service Center really does happen, that they may have some in stock but who knows?

Your other option would be to rework your existing adjustment nut. A machinist friend may be able to help. Good luck.


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paofab
Posted 2014-07-24 1:14 PM (#490835 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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I would be very happy to send a photo like that. My luthier (who worked for many years in Cremona with the best master luthiers making violins, guitars and so on) says it's not a problem to unscrew the nut, but the problem is to find a new rod nut compatible. The truss rod rescue kit is not a solution for my problem. In the picture (http://www.ovationtribute.com/Ovation%20Parts%20Catalog/1115-1615%20Pacemaker%2012S%20%20w%20Rod%20Cover/1115-1615%20Pacemaker%2012S%20%20w%20Rod%20Cover.html) you can see the lebeled part n. 10 that I need.
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paofab
Posted 2014-07-24 1:23 PM (#490837 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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My guitar has not the kbar and the adjustment nut is in the slothead like in the picture at the link above.
USA and Canada was my honeymoon and they will remain forever in my heart.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2014-07-24 1:42 PM (#490841 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker


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Try to contact John Budny at Ovation Customer Service. If you can't get ahold of him, I'll try to get you his contact information. I have a friend here who just sent John his guitar and has been in contact with him over the past few days. John will know whether that nut is still available.
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paofab
Posted 2014-07-24 3:09 PM (#490842 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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Few days ago I've tried to send an email to the Ov customer service but I have no answer until now. If you can contact John for me, you'll became my tooth fairy. Thanks Mark. From oversea it's hard for me to get right contacts to take care of my beautiful guitars.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2014-07-24 4:17 PM (#490843 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker


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I sent you a PM with the last email address I had for John.
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MWoody
Posted 2014-07-24 7:05 PM (#490848 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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So what you need is one of these? Please send me round trip tickets to your Villa and I would gladly install it...

 

Or PM me your mailing address and I can send it to you.

 



Edited by MWoody 2014-07-24 7:07 PM
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Tony Calman
Posted 2014-07-24 11:32 PM (#490854 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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Please send Michael the tickets. there is probably a couple of Alfa Romeo parts he could bring back for the San Diego Alfa Romeo Club...maybe even the new 4C.

Just kidding. Strange, general public thinks they can't get parts for an Alfa, not true. Never had a problem getting parts for my Veloce Spyder.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2014-07-25 12:30 AM (#490857 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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What I think that he really needs is the NUT for the end of the Truss Rod.

As I remember from my Pacemaker, the nut is longer (wider?) than a normal nut.
But I am thinking that a regular nut would work, provided that you had a Deep-Well socket to tighten it.
Also, a stack of washers might help like previously mentioned.
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paofab
Posted 2014-07-25 2:25 AM (#490860 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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Thanks Old Man Arthur for posting the picture, I've tried with no success. What I need is exactly the part number 10.
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Geostorm98
Posted 2014-07-25 5:24 AM (#490861 - in reply to #490860)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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D'oh of course! Pacemakers are slotheads and have the t-rod adjustment under the TRC. Since I own one I should have realized that. JB should be able to dig one up.
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marenostrum
Posted 2014-07-25 5:43 AM (#490862 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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kudos on you guys ...
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paofab
Posted 2014-07-25 9:34 AM (#490865 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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I would like to thank Mark for the right contact and John Budny who sent me a new tension rod nut in minutes. Thanks a lot guys. A donation is due.
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MWoody
Posted 2014-07-25 4:31 PM (#490871 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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So... I was at the wrong end of things again...

Happy ending anyway!
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2014-07-28 9:52 AM (#490931 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker


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It's good to see that some of the best of the good old days still live on. John's the greatest. I have a friend who has used his Adamas for 30 years until the bridge wore out from string changes. (He shoulda used string tubes!) At my urging, he sent it in to John last week. I can't wait to see and hear it when it comes back.
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paofab
Posted 2014-07-29 3:11 AM (#490954 - in reply to #490828)
Subject: Re: Little help to setup a Pacemaker



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It's goog to see that there's still a place in the web where people are so collaborative and full of interesting information to share with others.
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