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Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?

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C.Choate
Posted 2013-06-25 11:41 AM (#472854)
Subject: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?


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I am going to "attempt" to remove epaultes from one of my elites and I wondered who may can give me the best advice?
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DaveKell
Posted 2013-06-25 11:55 AM (#472855 - in reply to #472854)
Subject: RE: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?


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I took a new 3 inch scraper with a fairly sharp blade and they slid right off with it. I was concerned with the holes underneath not being perfect but they were. After I hand painted epaulets on, which came out really good, I discovered you can buy brand new ones on eBay for real cheap.
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C.Choate
Posted 2013-06-25 12:00 PM (#472856 - in reply to #472855)
Subject: RE: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?


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Thanks for the help? Did you have a hard time getting the glue off? Did you have to sand or use some kind of solvent?
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alpep
Posted 2013-06-25 5:09 PM (#472860 - in reply to #472854)
Subject: Re: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?


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just tear them off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXlUS5-ag_g
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C.Choate
Posted 2013-06-26 8:56 AM (#472866 - in reply to #472860)
Subject: Re: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?


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yeah ill just tear them ok...thanks for the great advice
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C.Choate
Posted 2013-06-26 8:57 AM (#472867 - in reply to #472866)
Subject: Re: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?


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im not as forgiving as chuck conners...
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MWoody
Posted 2013-06-26 9:21 AM (#472871 - in reply to #472854)
Subject: Re: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?



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Heat will soften the adhesive. I've used a dry iron with a cloth. Follow up with the Cyano glue remover dabbed in to remove the glue but not the finish. I did that to a Koa faced Celebrity and it worked out fine.

If you do leave a divot you can fill and smooth with Cyano glue.



Edited by MWoody 2013-06-26 9:23 AM
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DaveKell
Posted 2013-06-26 9:35 AM (#472872 - in reply to #472856)
Subject: RE: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?


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Chris Choate - 2013-06-25 12:00 PM

Thanks for the help? Did you have a hard time getting the glue off? Did you have to sand or use some kind of solvent?


When I "scraped" them off I had absolutely no glue residue to contend with. I honestly don't know why they were still attached to the guitar! A few passes with 3 microns sanding cloth and it was as smooth as the rest of the top. The hand painted ones were complimented by the guy who bought the guitar from me.
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C.Choate
Posted 2013-06-26 9:36 AM (#472873 - in reply to #472871)
Subject: Re: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?


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Thanks! I appreciate that! Can u find the "Cyano" glue pretty much anywhere?
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C.Choate
Posted 2013-06-26 9:39 AM (#472874 - in reply to #472873)
Subject: Re: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?


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they are the standard ovation eppies and I wanted to remove them and put the adamas style (that point out) back on but i am afraid that after i remove the old ones that the shape of where there were would show still? Probably should just put back a pair that point in?
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dvd
Posted 2013-06-26 9:52 AM (#472876 - in reply to #472854)
Subject: Re: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?



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yes if the top is a color that shows aging (i.e. natural finish), the area covered by the old epaulets will be lighter than the surrounding top.
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C.Choate
Posted 2013-06-26 11:11 AM (#472878 - in reply to #472854)
Subject: Re: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?


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Do you refinish tops?
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MWoody
Posted 2013-06-26 12:10 PM (#472879 - in reply to #472854)
Subject: Re: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?



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I have taken on some nearly lost causes in the past.
Nothing close to what a real Luthier would do.
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DanSavage
Posted 2013-06-26 3:02 PM (#472881 - in reply to #472873)
Subject: Re: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?



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Chris Choate - 2013-06-26 7:36 AM

Thanks! I appreciate that! Can u find the "Cyano" glue pretty much anywhere?


Yes. It's commonly known by the trade name of 'Super Glue' or 'Krazy Glue'. (generic name: cyanoacrylate or CA)

Personally, I would use the hobby variety known as 'Zap', which is available in most hobby shops. It comes in a variety of viscosities: thin, medium and thick. (Zap CA, Zap-A-Gap CA+ & Slo Zap, respectively)

Super Glue and thin Zap possess extreme wicking capabilities and will make a big mess if you're not careful with them. These are best used when the pieces are already joined together and the glue is then wicked along the seam. Thin CA runs like crazy.

Zap-A-Gap is medium viscosity that will wick into thicker openings, but is best applied on one side of the two sides to be joined, then pressed together. It will run if too much is applied.

Slo Zap is pretty thick and doesn't really wick or run.

The higher the viscosity, the longer the drying times.

Another alternative available from hobby shops is Formula 560 glue, which is a lot like white glue, but is designed to glue plastics. It also works well to glue wood to plastic. It dries crystal clear and remains flexible. You apply this glue to one surface and press/clamp the two pieces together. Wipe up any excess with a wet paper towel before it dries.

Of the above glues, Formula 560 is the most user and guitar friendly. While CA is fairly easy to use and dries quickly, it's very easy to make a mess of your guitar and once it dries, it's tough to remove.

YMMV.

Edited by DanSavage 2013-06-26 3:06 PM
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C.Choate
Posted 2013-06-26 5:27 PM (#472886 - in reply to #472854)
Subject: Re: Anyone know the best way to remove epaulets?


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Wow!!! Thanks for the info Dan!
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