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Phillym![]() |
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Joined: June 2009 Posts: 18 Location: USA - New Jersey | When looking at the Elite body it does not appear that the sound would project as well compared to the round sound hole body. How does the sound quality differ? | ||
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Beal![]() |
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Joined: January 2002 Posts: 14127 Location: 6 String Ranch | It's a little more, je ne sais pas, beaucoup. | ||
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Waskel![]() |
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Joined: February 2005 Posts: 11840 Location: closely held secret | Only if you believe the sound comes out the holes... | ||
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MWoody![]() |
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Joined: December 2003 Posts: 13996 Location: Upper Left USA | Consider this: One 12" diameter speaker aiming at the audience providing optimal sound to those from 2 to 16 feet directly in front of the unit/guitar. As you move away from this zone the sound degrades. A Bose L1 type amplification made of multiple smaller speakers, each articulating a portion of the spectrum and aimed at slightly different angles. Also note that because there is more Soundboard the overal driving power is increased but the load is shared with the multiple speakers or outlets. As you can guess I prefer the Multi or Offset Soundholes. Single Epaulets are my preference for a deeper tone. The Center soundholes disperse the energy more generously to the Player and the listener (or Microphone) in front of them. Multi-hole equals more Soundboard energy and when you shoot it out of the upper bouts at a steeper angle (shape of the bowl) you are forcing more energy forward - and through multiple smaller "speakers" for a more defined but not overdriven spread. This may, of course be utter nonsense but I stand my ground until knocked on my A$$... | ||
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Waskel![]() |
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Joined: February 2005 Posts: 11840 Location: closely held secret | There's little speakers in them holes? | ||
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twistedlim![]() |
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Joined: November 2008 Posts: 1119 Location: Michigan | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel: I think the politically correct term is Lollypop kids.There's little speakers in them holes? | ||
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MWoody![]() |
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Joined: December 2003 Posts: 13996 Location: Upper Left USA | Or "Smurf's" | ||
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rededdie![]() |
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Joined: January 2006 Posts: 387 Location: Whitecourt, Ab | This may, of course be utter nonsense but I stand my ground until knocked on my A$$... | ||
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Old Man Arthur![]() |
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777 Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Okay, here is what I have gleaned from general reading. The actual sound comes from the vibration of the top... "The Soundboard" Yes, sound comes outta the hole, but it is created by the vibration of the top. Also I read somewhere that the combined area of the multi-soundhole holes is about the same as a centerhole. I don't know how right I am, but I thought that I would share that anyway.... | ||
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Trader Jim![]() |
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Joined: June 2006 Posts: 7307 Location: South of most, North of few | Thanks Arthur ;) | ||
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top![]() |
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Joined: April 2006 Posts: 2491 Location: Copenhagen Denmark | sTRiNgS aRe nEedEd .. aNd aN eLEpHanT fOR tUSquE nuTs .. | ||
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FlySig![]() |
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Joined: October 2005 Posts: 4065 Location: Utah | As I recall the theory.... The body cannot be sealed tight, because it would impede the vibration of the top. The sound is created by the top vibrating and moving air, so it has to vibrate freely. Thus, holes in the body someplace are required. The total size of the holes and the geometry of the body will determine the resonance of the top. For example, a deeper body will have more lower frequencies. But the top has to also be thin and flexible, not thick and rigid, if it is going to vibrate freely. Making the wood thinner makes it weaker, so bracing is added to the underside to support the strain of the string tension. The traditional center hole creates an enormous weakness right in front of the bridge, requiring stiff bracing which impedes vibration. Moving the hole to the epaulets allows different bracing and a more flexible top. Which all results in more and better sound. | ||
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Gallerinski![]() |
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Joined: May 2008 Posts: 4996 Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by FlySig: Please pass the cool aid ...Which all results in more and better sound. | ||
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Joined: February 2009 Posts: 262 Location: VENISE-EN-QUEBEC CANADA | hey there's another french guy with me(je ne ses pas beaucoup)good Beal im not alone :p for the hole I no my Elite sound's soooooooooo sweet :D Daniel | ||
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Joined: September 2007 Posts: 153 Location: New Jersey, USA | Originally posted by FlySig: Everything else you wrote is sound, but I don't think this assertion is true. The top of an acoustic guitar is much like a drum skin, which is thin and tuned to resonance so that it will vibrate. There is obviously no hole in a drum skin unless you bash it too hard. :) The body cannot be sealed tight, because it would impede the vibration of the top. The sound is created by the top vibrating and moving air, so it has to vibrate freely. AFAIK, holes are put into guitar tops more for tradition and aesthetic purposes (and maintenance) than because they can't otherwise be there. | ||
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Waskel![]() |
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Joined: February 2005 Posts: 11840 Location: closely held secret | FlySig said "The body cannot be sealed tight". The hole has to be somewhere. | ||
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Phil Wong![]() |
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Joined: June 2003 Posts: 1792 Location: Rego Park, NY, | Originally posted by MWoody: Consider this: One 12" diameter speaker aiming at the audience providing optimal sound to those from 2 to 16 feet directly in front of the unit/guitar. As you move away from this zone the sound degrades. A Bose L1 type amplification made of multiple smaller speakers, each articulating a portion of the spectrum and aimed at slightly different angles. Also note that because there is more Soundboard the overal driving power is increased but the load is shared with the multiple speakers or outlets. As you can guess I prefer the Multi or Offset Soundholes. Single Epaulets are my preference for a deeper tone. The Center soundholes disperse the energy more generously to the Player and the listener (or Microphone) in front of them. Multi-hole equals more Soundboard energy and when you shoot it out of the upper bouts at a steeper angle (shape of the bowl) you are forcing more energy forward - and through multiple smaller "speakers" for a more defined but not overdriven spread. This may, of course be utter nonsense but I stand my ground until knocked on my A$$... | ||
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Phil Wong![]() |
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Joined: June 2003 Posts: 1792 Location: Rego Park, NY, | Originally posted by MWoody: Woody "FIRE IN THE HOLE" I think you woke up Master Templeman!!Consider this: One 12" diameter speaker aiming at the audience providing optimal sound to those from 2 to 16 feet directly in front of the unit/guitar. As you move away from this zone the sound degrades. A Bose L1 type amplification made of multiple smaller speakers, each articulating a portion of the spectrum and aimed at slightly different angles. Also note that because there is more Soundboard the overal driving power is increased but the load is shared with the multiple speakers or outlets. As you can guess I prefer the Multi or Offset Soundholes. Single Epaulets are my preference for a deeper tone. The Center soundholes disperse the energy more generously to the Player and the listener (or Microphone) in front of them. Multi-hole equals more Soundboard energy and when you shoot it out of the upper bouts at a steeper angle (shape of the bowl) you are forcing more energy forward - and through multiple smaller "speakers" for a more defined but not overdriven spread. This may, of course be utter nonsense but I stand my ground until knocked on my A$$... | ||
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ProfessorBB![]() |
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Joined: January 2006 Posts: 5881 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Whichever guitar is plugged into the biggest amp wins the "who's loudest?" contest. | ||
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