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Phillym
Posted 2009-06-16 4:41 PM (#411623)
Subject: Elite Body


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When looking at the Elite body it does not appear that the sound would project as well compared to the round sound hole body. How does the sound quality differ?
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Beal
Posted 2009-06-16 5:15 PM (#411624 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body



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It's a little more, je ne sais pas, beaucoup.
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Waskel
Posted 2009-06-16 5:23 PM (#411625 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body



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Only if you believe the sound comes out the holes...
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MWoody
Posted 2009-06-16 5:26 PM (#411626 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body



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Consider this:

One 12" diameter speaker aiming at the audience providing optimal sound to those from 2 to 16 feet directly in front of the unit/guitar. As you move away from this zone the sound degrades.

A Bose L1 type amplification made of multiple smaller speakers, each articulating a portion of the spectrum and aimed at slightly different angles. Also note that because there is more Soundboard the overal driving power is increased but the load is shared with the multiple speakers or outlets.

As you can guess I prefer the Multi or Offset Soundholes. Single Epaulets are my preference for a deeper tone.

The Center soundholes disperse the energy more generously to the Player and the listener (or Microphone) in front of them.

Multi-hole equals more Soundboard energy and when you shoot it out of the upper bouts at a steeper angle (shape of the bowl) you are forcing more energy forward - and through multiple smaller "speakers" for a more defined but not overdriven spread.

This may, of course be utter nonsense but I stand my ground until knocked on my A$$...
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Waskel
Posted 2009-06-16 5:35 PM (#411627 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body



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There's little speakers in them holes?
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twistedlim
Posted 2009-06-16 6:17 PM (#411628 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body


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Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
There's little speakers in them holes?
I think the politically correct term is Lollypop kids.
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MWoody
Posted 2009-06-16 7:06 PM (#411629 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body



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Or "Smurf's"
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rededdie
Posted 2009-06-16 7:13 PM (#411630 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body



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This may, of course be utter nonsense but I stand my ground until knocked on my A$$...
...And I'll back ya 'til yer nose bleeds
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-06-16 7:20 PM (#411631 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body



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Okay, here is what I have gleaned from general reading.
The actual sound comes from the vibration of the top... "The Soundboard"
Yes, sound comes outta the hole, but it is created by the vibration of the top.
Also I read somewhere that the combined area of the multi-soundhole holes is about the same as a centerhole.
I don't know how right I am, but I thought that I would share that anyway....
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Trader Jim
Posted 2009-06-16 7:40 PM (#411632 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body


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Thanks Arthur ;)
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2009-06-16 7:41 PM (#411633 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body


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sTRiNgS aRe nEedEd .. aNd aN eLEpHanT fOR tUSquE nuTs ..
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FlySig
Posted 2009-06-16 9:14 PM (#411634 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body



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As I recall the theory....

The body cannot be sealed tight, because it would impede the vibration of the top. The sound is created by the top vibrating and moving air, so it has to vibrate freely.

Thus, holes in the body someplace are required. The total size of the holes and the geometry of the body will determine the resonance of the top. For example, a deeper body will have more lower frequencies.

But the top has to also be thin and flexible, not thick and rigid, if it is going to vibrate freely. Making the wood thinner makes it weaker, so bracing is added to the underside to support the strain of the string tension.

The traditional center hole creates an enormous weakness right in front of the bridge, requiring stiff bracing which impedes vibration. Moving the hole to the epaulets allows different bracing and a more flexible top.

Which all results in more and better sound.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-06-16 10:29 PM (#411635 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body
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Originally posted by FlySig:
Which all results in more and better sound.
Please pass the cool aid ...
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flag72
Posted 2009-06-16 11:01 PM (#411636 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body


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hey there's another french guy with me(je ne ses pas beaucoup)good Beal im not alone :p for the hole I no my Elite sound's soooooooooo sweet :D
Daniel
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rpguitar
Posted 2009-06-17 9:22 AM (#411637 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body


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Originally posted by FlySig:
The body cannot be sealed tight, because it would impede the vibration of the top. The sound is created by the top vibrating and moving air, so it has to vibrate freely.
Everything else you wrote is sound, but I don't think this assertion is true. The top of an acoustic guitar is much like a drum skin, which is thin and tuned to resonance so that it will vibrate. There is obviously no hole in a drum skin unless you bash it too hard. :)

AFAIK, holes are put into guitar tops more for tradition and aesthetic purposes (and maintenance) than because they can't otherwise be there.
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Waskel
Posted 2009-06-17 9:28 AM (#411638 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body



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FlySig said "The body cannot be sealed tight". The hole has to be somewhere.
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Phil Wong
Posted 2009-06-17 9:34 AM (#411639 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body


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Originally posted by MWoody:
Consider this:

One 12" diameter speaker aiming at the audience providing optimal sound to those from 2 to 16 feet directly in front of the unit/guitar. As you move away from this zone the sound degrades.

A Bose L1 type amplification made of multiple smaller speakers, each articulating a portion of the spectrum and aimed at slightly different angles. Also note that because there is more Soundboard the overal driving power is increased but the load is shared with the multiple speakers or outlets.

As you can guess I prefer the Multi or Offset Soundholes. Single Epaulets are my preference for a deeper tone.

The Center soundholes disperse the energy more generously to the Player and the listener (or Microphone) in front of them.

Multi-hole equals more Soundboard energy and when you shoot it out of the upper bouts at a steeper angle (shape of the bowl) you are forcing more energy forward - and through multiple smaller "speakers" for a more defined but not overdriven spread.

This may, of course be utter nonsense but I stand my ground until knocked on my A$$...
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Phil Wong
Posted 2009-06-17 9:36 AM (#411640 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body


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Originally posted by MWoody:
Consider this:

One 12" diameter speaker aiming at the audience providing optimal sound to those from 2 to 16 feet directly in front of the unit/guitar. As you move away from this zone the sound degrades.

A Bose L1 type amplification made of multiple smaller speakers, each articulating a portion of the spectrum and aimed at slightly different angles. Also note that because there is more Soundboard the overal driving power is increased but the load is shared with the multiple speakers or outlets.

As you can guess I prefer the Multi or Offset Soundholes. Single Epaulets are my preference for a deeper tone.

The Center soundholes disperse the energy more generously to the Player and the listener (or Microphone) in front of them.

Multi-hole equals more Soundboard energy and when you shoot it out of the upper bouts at a steeper angle (shape of the bowl) you are forcing more energy forward - and through multiple smaller "speakers" for a more defined but not overdriven spread.

This may, of course be utter nonsense but I stand my ground until knocked on my A$$...
Woody "FIRE IN THE HOLE" I think you woke up Master Templeman!!
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2009-06-17 11:38 AM (#411641 - in reply to #411623)
Subject: Re: Elite Body



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