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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
It was my understanding they were trying to solve the "it falls off me knee" and "tips up" complaints.. Ah ha, good! Function should always be considered first... swoosh last... if ever... |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
It was my understanding they were trying to solve the "it falls off me knee" and "tips up" complaints.. and ended up a the flatter bottom, contour, and the sound enhancements. Of course the bowl uses the micro-bleeds now so it's lighter too... OH! So you are saying that it was originally designed to compensate for Fat, Clumsy People? :eek: |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "designed to compensate for Fat, Clumsy People"
Hey now... I resemble that... :( |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Hey now... I wasn't pointing fingers!
Personally, I think all of my pants and shirts have shrunk in the wash...
Or at least that is what I'm hoping happened. |
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Location: Location Location Location | Tall & skinny am I, but honestly, I couldn't tell any difference in either sound or feel. |
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Location: closely held secret | Art, I think it's how they're making clothes these days. All my jeans seem to be shrinking in the waistline and stretching in the inseam. |
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Location: Vernon CT | Originally posted by CrimsonLake:
It's probably just the way I sit and hold the guitar, but I don't notice a difference physically between the contour, the mid depth and the deep bowl. DITTO! No preference, No "Dislike"! :) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | For the people that play ovations and have always played ovations the "issue" of the bowl back is non-existent. We just pick them up and play them, everything feels natural. Same with the folks that play wooden box guitars. That wooden box feels totally natural and comfortable to them. No issue whatsoever.
The "issue" is that 95% of the players and buyers there play wooden box guitars. To get them to even consider using or switching to an ovation is a huge hurdle because the bowl just does not feel "right" to them. The guitar slips off their knee when seated and points to the sky when strapped on. Yes, I know WE do not have those issues, but WE are not the pool of potential first time buyers. By FAR the number one objection potential first time ovation buyers cite for not choosing the ovation over a wooden guitar is the bowl.
Sooo, in an effort to LESSEN the difference between a bowl back and a wooden guitar, ovation came up with the Contour Bowl. And I think they nail it right on the money. It has lowered the barrier of entry for first time ovation buyers. Hard to tell if it has helped market share because the whole damn market is in the crapper, but I doubt it has hurt.
Does everyone like it? Of course not. May of us don't like change. Hell we still but shiny bowls !!! Does it make every wooden guiar player want to go out and buy a countour bowl ovation? Of course not. They don't like change either.
For me personally the contour bowl has been a god send. Over the last 5 years I have migrated to playing mostly wooden guitars, so with the contour bowl on my ovations they sit and feel much more the same as my other guitars so swapping back and forth is very natural and transparent. It also hightens the sentation when I DO pick up a non contour, initial reaction is wow, THIS is different.
Good that there are many choices. Deep bowls for thos ethat want them, contours, shallows, and of course wooden box guitars. All good. |
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Location: SoCal | Everything you say, Toby, is correct. What I find odd about this thread is the title, which is "So, Do You guys Hate the Contoured Ts"?
Has anybody here said they hate it? Where did that come from? |
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Location: south east Michigan | If I ever get yet another guitar I'd like to have the contour bowl. |
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | What Dave said.
I've played a "contoured O" just one time in a guitar shop. No negative impression to report. I'd really like to add one of this to my small collection. |
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| Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Everything you say, Toby, is correct. What I find odd about this thread is the title, which is "So, Do You guys Hate the Contoured Ts"?
Has anybody here said they hate it? Where did that come from? You're reading too much into this. It was merely a rhetorical question, and a rhetorical question is designed to stimulate response (the rhetorical question in Aristotle's parlance is known as erotema). Because I had only been able to find one thread on the 2078TX, I wondered if the prevailing opinion was that contoured bodies were desirable.
I see now that that opinions are mixed, and I truly appreciate all of the well-considered responses (even yours, Gallerinski Von Tupperware--that is, your most recent response, the one posted after the caffeine wore off). I have to admit your initial response took me aback.
Again, I thank those who shared their experience and offered their expertise. |
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| Typo repair:
I wondered if the prevailing opinion was that contoured bodies were desirable
should be
...undesirable |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | How you phrase a question can highly influence the answer you get. Like this ...
Hey guys, what do you think of Taylor guitars? Do you like them?
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Hey guys, why is it that everyone thinks Taylor guitars are such total pieces of shit?
See, just a hypothetical example but I'm sure the answers you would get to these two made up questions would be very different. |
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Location: CA | OMA — You're right I haven't been around too much lately. And sorry if I appear a tad irritable. Perhaps it has something to do with being laid off after 25 years and having to find a new job at age 59. But I also feel strongly that Ovation seems to think the contour backs are the bees knees. Just want to toss out — in a nice way — that not all Ovation players like the contour. If I ever have the occasion, I'll try one again, but sure didn't like the first one.
GALLERINSKI — Point taken. I don't. But Hwy61 did ask the question.
LANAKI — Well put. LOL
I remember from 'Paint Your Wagon' that Lee Marvin gets into a discussion about two kinds of people. The bartender says there are "them that are staying and them that are leaving." Marvin says, "Nope. That's wrong. There's two kinds of people all right, but there's them that are going somewhere and there's them that are going nowhere." |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Eli Wallach said, in The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly, "There are two kinds of people my friend. Those who come in by the door, and those who come in by the window." |
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| Originally posted by Gallerinski:
How you phrase a question can highly influence the answer you get. Like this ...
Hey guys, what do you think of Taylor guitars? Do you like them?
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Hey guys, why is it that everyone thinks Taylor guitars are such total pieces of shit?
See, just a hypothetical example but I'm sure the answers you would get to these two made up questions would be very different. I believe that, if you would have read my post, instead of typing from the gut after reading the thread title, the results would have been very different.
In any regard, again I thank all of you for your input.
See you all again some day.
Adieu |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I apologize, yes I misinterpreted your question.
Your question was exactly "Do You Guys Hate The Contoured T's"
I jumped on the "contour" part only. Sorry about that.
So to exactly answer the question you asked, YES, I Do Hate The Contoured T's, they are ugly, very shabby quality, sound like crap and are a very poor value for the money. You can do a LOT better.
Sorry again for the confusion. Toby |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Ooops I missed answering the other part of the question also...
No, I think the "T" is a brilliant guitar. It's an unintentional nod back to the original "Ultra" or in my case "Medallion" and some of the other early techniques. Offer a simple verion the higher end model. No bling, no fancy paint, just a guitar. I had one, and I'm sorry I sold it. |
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| I am so-o-o-o glad I came back (with hand covering my eyes, peeking through the fingers), for my experience with this forum has always been nothing but excellent (except when it has been superb), and I felt that, perhaps, I had transgressed, but that, even if I had, I had been met with more anger than I had deserved.
I am glad that the misunderstanding has been resolved.
And though this might seem redundant, I thank everyone again for the valued input. |
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Location: Right now? | It's probably just the way I sit and hold the guitar, but I don't notice a difference physically between the contour, the mid depth and the deep bowl. Me either, but I thought that was just ME. |
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So, Do You Guys Hate the Contoured Ts?
