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Meuti
Posted 2010-05-20 12:50 PM (#371460)
Subject: Help! UTE is sick....


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Ok... calm down, Meuti. It can't be that bad.

When UTE arrived, all was good. No issues at all, everything perfect.

Then, one night, while playing her, I realize a random "razzle" not really locateable. It stopped as soon as it came. So I thought it was nothing big.

A few days later it came back. So I openend the bowl and looked inside to check the braces. Everything seemed tight and in place.

So I decided to change the strings. I did and also tigthend the screws on the tuners. They were all pretty loose, so I thought that might have been the reason for the strange razzle sound. I played again, no razzle. I was glad.

And now, just a few minutes ago, I picked UTE up again. Giving the E-String a slight push (while tuning) - the razzle is back. Louder than ever. Same thing with all other strings now, too... Oh no... While sweat runs down my head I'm trying to locate it again, and finally I find something.

The bridge, while still attached to the body and without any "seeable" gap, is obviously vibrating, when the strings are moving. It has to be the bridge, because if I push down the bridge slightly, while the razzle is hearable, it stops.

First thing that comes to my mind is the Picture of the FD-14 with the torn out bridge. Yikes. So I immediately removed all tension from the strings. So far so good.

Now what? Please help me to write a happy ending to this story.

A seriously worried and wishing the mothership was in Germany

Meuti
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Trader Jim
Posted 2010-05-20 2:01 PM (#371461 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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My UTE had an issue with the wires contacting the top and making a buzzing sound. Might want to check that. That said, my 1st UTE had a loose brace when it arrived. Didn't want to mention that.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2010-05-20 2:03 PM (#371462 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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Another thing you can check is the "can" for the preamplifier. If you pull out the amp, you will see two philips head screws that hold the can in. Check them for tightness.
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Meuti
Posted 2010-05-20 2:08 PM (#371463 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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Thank you, Jim. But I forgot to mention it's an acoustic only. The braces all seem okay, I reached in with my hand and checked that. It's very likely to be the bridge.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2010-05-20 9:52 PM (#371464 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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I should have remembered that. Meuti, if you put pressure on the bridge, you are damping the vibration of the top, so maybe, just maybe, it's something else. I assume you checked the strap pin and eppies. Man, I hope it's something simple. Did you try it with the rear hatch off?
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twistedlim
Posted 2010-05-20 10:01 PM (#371465 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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May sound dumb but check to make sure your truss rod cover is tight. Mine made a buzzing noise when I first got it and it drove me crazy trying to figure it out.
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Meuti
Posted 2010-05-21 1:27 PM (#371466 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I had a very unexpected (and even more welcome) help yesterday night via Email. I'm not sure if he wants me to post it, so I won't say who it was. All I can say is: This man knows a lot ;) Thank you again, Sir!

Well, now I know, that indeed the braces are the reason for the issues. Two of them are loose, however only at the end. It's a big relief to know WHAT is wrong. I already found a luthier very close to my home, who could be the right person to do the repair for me. I've just emailed him and am waiting for his response.

Looks like the happy end is coming nearer. :)
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Trader Jim
Posted 2010-05-21 2:31 PM (#371467 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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Exactly what happened to my first UTE. Shouldn't be a big issue to repair. Glad you found the problem.
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AussieJames
Posted 2010-05-21 8:24 PM (#371468 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....



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A dab of super glue should fix it......

Glad it's not serious.

AJ
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Meuti
Posted 2010-05-23 6:39 AM (#371469 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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I'm glad, too. I found a luthier just a few miles next to my hometown. He's asking roundabout 80 Dollars for the repair. All shall be good soon :)
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FlySig
Posted 2010-05-23 11:41 AM (#371470 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....



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Sara's Ute has been back to the mothership when the same thing happened to the original owner. They used epoxy, and not a tiny amount. Not that they used too much, but those braces aren't going anywhere now. The guitar sounds amazing, so don't worry about the tone suffering from the added glue.
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Meuti
Posted 2010-05-29 7:09 AM (#371471 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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...and so Meuti took his UTE and brought her to a young luthier who immediately promised to take care of the wounded braces. One week passed in which the poor Meuti cried almost every night because he was missing his favourite baby. Only the FUD was able to dry his tears at least a little bit.
Then on a beautiful and sunny saturday Meuti received a phone call from the young luthier. UTE was cured and waiting for her daddy to pick her up. Which he did. And then...

...the lived happily ever after.

The End
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stephent28
Posted 2010-05-29 10:34 AM (#371472 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....



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glad it was an easy fix!
never fun to be without one of our babies regardless of how short the time.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2010-05-29 12:11 PM (#371473 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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When I got my Folklore one of the many issues it had was a cracked brace. It was odd that the hole for the pickup wire was drilled right through a brace. A bit of Elmer's carpenter's glue fixed it. Still my best ebay purchase.
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Meuti
Posted 2010-05-30 6:58 AM (#371474 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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Sadly I have two left hands. I didn't dare to do the repair myself. Especially not on the U681. And I was given the advice to let someone repair it who knows what he's doing :D
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2010-05-30 12:38 PM (#371475 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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You had good advice. I got the Folklore as a fixer upper, and I didn't think it was worth investing more money in. It turned out to be a lucky deal.
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Joe Rotax
Posted 2010-06-02 10:32 PM (#371476 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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Originally posted by Meuti:
...and so Meuti took his UTE and brought her to a young luthier who immediately promised to take care of the wounded braces. One week passed in which the poor Meuti cried almost every night because he was missing his favourite baby. Only the FUD was able to dry his tears at least a little bit.
Then on a beautiful and sunny saturday Meuti received a phone call from the young luthier. UTE was cured and waiting for her daddy to pick her up. Which he did. And then...

...the lived happily ever after.

The End
The Brothers Grimm had a very similar experience except they played Martin guitars and there was probably a wicked stepmother involved as well..lol

Glad to hear that your guitar is OK.
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Meuti
Posted 2010-06-04 5:00 AM (#371477 - in reply to #371460)
Subject: Re: Help! UTE is sick....


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I actually live in the city where the Grimms were born. If they were still alive I am positive they would have put my story in one of their collections. ;)
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