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tremor
Posted 2010-09-03 3:05 PM (#365171)
Subject: 1612 Question.


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A 1979 1612 should have the truss rod cover on the headstock, correct?
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Patsbro
Posted 2010-09-03 3:14 PM (#365172 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.


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It should. The rod cover/adjustment point didn't change until the next series. (the 1712's).

Patsbro
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tremor
Posted 2010-09-03 3:47 PM (#365173 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.


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Thanks for the quick reply. There is one on ebay that the seller states is a 1979 and gives a serial# that is correct for a 1979, but no truss rod cover.

Hmmm! Replaced neck?
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-09-03 3:56 PM (#365174 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.



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I am not sure which 1612 you are talking about, cuz there are a few on there now with no TRC.
But if they have a Rainbow label, they have the K-Bar neck.



Is it This One?
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tremor
Posted 2010-09-03 4:07 PM (#365175 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.


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Thats the one. So it's not a true 1979. Wonder where they got the serial# from or what the seller is up too?

Hmmm! again.
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Patsbro
Posted 2010-09-03 6:12 PM (#365176 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.


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If I recall, there was a thread awhile back concerning the transition in the '70s from the foil labels to the paper ones. No one was really sure exactly when they started the change and with which models but there were several conflicts. More than likely this is actually a 1712 that was mislabeled during the transition period. By the photos it is definitely a Custom Balladeer and with no rod cover, should be a 1712.

Patsbro
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Gallerinski
Posted 2010-09-03 6:33 PM (#365177 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.
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The transition was made when the foil labels ran out.
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tremor
Posted 2010-09-03 7:06 PM (#365178 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.


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Thanks for the info guy's. When I saw the seller stating it was a 1979 with no TRC I started to wonder.

I guess it might just be a fine line on the change over.
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cholloway
Posted 2010-09-03 8:14 PM (#365179 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.


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So what's the difference between a 1612 and a 1712... the label or the neck???

I'd like to think it's more than a label!
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Patsbro
Posted 2010-09-03 8:36 PM (#365180 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.


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The 16**'s used the original truss rod which was adjusted from the headstock and covered with a rod cover. The 17**'s introduced the Kaman Bar which was adjusted from inside the bowl.

Patsbro
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-09-03 9:29 PM (#365181 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.



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posted by Gallerinski:
The transition was made when the foil labels ran out.
Sometimes the answer is just That simple. Wow! :eek:
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-09-03 9:43 PM (#365182 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.



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posted by Patsbro:
More than likely this is actually a 1712 that was mislabeled during the transition period. By the photos it is definitely a Custom Balladeer and with no rod cover, should be a 1712.

Patsbro
Here is my 1612 Beater... It has a Rainbow Label and No TRC.
But it is a 1612.
Either that, or that mislabeling is a really common mistake.

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Jeremiah Greenspoon
Posted 2010-09-04 3:23 AM (#365183 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.


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Let me go have a look at mine...
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Jeremiah Greenspoon
Posted 2010-09-04 3:24 AM (#365184 - in reply to #365171)
Subject: Re: 1612 Question.


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I don't know, there apparently was a transition period when bracings changed and Kbars came in.

I have a 1617 1979 Legend with rainbow label and also truss rod cover. Must have been one of the interchange ones, because it also has A bracing.

Go figure! I'd just trust the serial number and bear in mind the changes that came in 79/80?
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