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Location: Maine | Vintage Lyrachord, who would have ever thought? This concept was tested many many years ago..
I think it's a good thing if it holds up.
Isn't the guitar an object where you need to find the right balance between it's strength and the forces applied to it. Too strong and it will be condsidered overbuilt and too heavy. Too light and it could self destruct. If you can make a guitar ever so delicate, yet have enough strength to function for years, and sound like magic... then you'd have something special.
No one has ever commented on how lightweight any of my Ovation guitars are. They've only noticed that the older HLFG bowls & Pre K-bar are considerably lighter.
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Location: Fort Worth, TX | someone may have already made this comment, but I'd hate to see O's go from being called plastic guitars to rubber guitars. Just more ammo for the haters. I definitely wouldn't own one even if there was a noticeable sound improvement. If that's the best innovation O can come up with, we may be in for an extended drought before O's ever regain widespread popularity. |
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Location: Tennessee | DaveKell wrote:
Just more ammo for the haters. I definitely wouldn't own one even if there was a noticeable sound improvement.
Huh? Sounds like you're on the hater team. Or their cheerleader. Sheesh!
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Location: Fort Worth, TX | I am at a loss as to how you arrived at that conclusion from my comments. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear - it wouldn't be the first time. In this thread, I read the word Tupperware with regard to these flexible bowls. In retrospect, due to my profound admiration for O's, IF there was an improvement in the sound, I might consider getting one. However, an acoustic guitar with any part being flexible borders on being toy-like in my mind. I guess I'd just have to see one. You sir, however, are way off the mark in calling me the cheerleader for O haters... WAY OFF. |
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Location: Texas | DaveKell wrote:
I definitely wouldn't own one even if there was a noticeable sound improvement.
That only makes sense if you are more concerned about what other people say about your guitar than anything else. If we all had that attitude, there would be no OFC. (We already "get no respect," so nothin' from nothin' is still nothin'...)
However, I agree with you in the sense that, without any further information, the demonstration of the flex bowl just makes the guitar look "cheaper" to me. Hopefully, improvements in sound (and weight?) were the goal in creating the flex bowl, as opposed a cost-cutting measure being spun into an "improvement." If the bowl is flexible enough, it could eliminate the need for contour bowls by precisely contouring to each players personal "contour." ;) (But would that mean that the a large, soft belly would dampen the vibration and therefore the sound?)
We won't know until we get to play them. I'm willing to wait and hear…
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Location: Maine | IMHO, If the new bowls are lighter and offer the same strength/toughness, then what’s the problem ,assuming there is not a negative tonal decline.
If they are “rubber” the guitar will probably fail . The bowl is an integral structure for the whole guitar. My guess is the Folks at Ovation know enough.
Quote: “However, an acoustic guitar with any part being flexible borders on being toy-like in my mind”
Try pushing on an Adamas I top, It's not a toy.
Aren’t composites supposed to push the limits of the traditional, to get the most out of the least.?
Ever pickup a Kevlar Canoe or Kayak or paddle one? Ever push on one, they flex. They function fine, and there is a cool feeling being on the edge of the material limits.
I’m curious to know that the paint or coating of the bowl is. To me the spackle paint is more “tacky” then the delicateness of a FG bowl. The old Shiny Bowls have a more artistc attribute about them. Again, all IMHO.
I have a few bare OLD HLFG bowls. You can twist them like crazy without the top glued on. I'd like to see the new offering.
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Location: Texas | In the second half of THIS VIDEO Rick Hall, provides more information about the new bowls…
(in the first half he shows a guitar that is giving me serious GAS…) ;) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Al had at least one of those limited edition Legends that Rick shows in the first part of the video. I think I prefer it to the limited edition they did in 2010 which was an Elite style with a contour bowl, but since I got the 2010 model thinking it may be the last of the US Ovations, I couldn't justify another one. Maybe there will be another limited edition for 2012. I would be interested in comparing the 2010 and 2011 side by side. |
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | TJR wrote: Vintage Lyrachord, who would have ever thought? This concept was tested many many years ago..
Can't help but wonder what the story is behind this picture. Perhaps the young man was told, "go sand on those bowls in the back," and he misunderstood them. :) |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | The photo sparked the idea for contour bowls. |
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Location: sitting at my computer | "Can't help but wonder what the story is behind this picture."
hmm... was that a Korean formula bowl inspector?!
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Those would pop back into shape, so he must be playing Whack-A-Bowl...
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