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Advice on Headstocks and tuner placement

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an4340
Posted 2006-03-13 12:47 PM (#262334)
Subject: Advice on Headstocks and tuner placement


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I was wondering if its better for strings to go straight over the headstock, ala a telecaster, or to go out at a wide fan pattern, like some Gibson guitars, or to be sort of a compromise, like an ovation, with a slight left or right bend to the string from the nut to the tuner. I hope I explained this right. My instinct says that straight over or a slight bend is probably best.
Any thoughts?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-03-13 12:57 PM (#262335 - in reply to #262334)
Subject: Re: Advice on Headstocks and tuner placement


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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that any angle that increases force on the nut would create additional sustain.
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Highway61
Posted 2006-03-13 12:58 PM (#262336 - in reply to #262334)
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I think that, for the most part, any time that you can avoid string trees, you are better off.
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Waskel
Posted 2006-03-13 1:08 PM (#262337 - in reply to #262334)
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I have to agree with Jeff.
I wouldn't be caught dead out on a limb with him, and I don't really want to agree with him, but I have to.

Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. GM
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-03-13 1:13 PM (#262338 - in reply to #262334)
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Put your boots on boys, Hell has frozen over
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Waskel
Posted 2006-03-13 1:19 PM (#262339 - in reply to #262334)
Subject: Re: Advice on Headstocks and tuner placement



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Don't be in such a hurry, sister. HWKMTWWTH and PTTSB haven't chimed in yet.
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an4340
Posted 2006-03-13 2:09 PM (#262340 - in reply to #262334)
Subject: Re: Advice on Headstocks and tuner placement


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On babicz guitars they do that fan thing with the strings attached in a large fan at the lower bout, as the guy who runs the company told me (at the MPL in NYC last October) it spreads the vibrations more across the soundboard, makes it vibrate more. Great playing guitars by the way.

I don't know if this applies to the neck though.

I don't like string trees either and I agree with tilting the headstock to get more sustain, but it's that fanning out that looks aweful, but may be of use. Just curious.
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tdeej
Posted 2006-03-13 2:55 PM (#262341 - in reply to #262334)
Subject: Re: Advice on Headstocks and tuner placement


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Breedlove makes a big deal of their strange design holding the strings straighter. Maybe this is second best to a slothead.
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2006-03-13 2:58 PM (#262342 - in reply to #262334)
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Originally posted by tdeej:
Maybe this is second best to a slothead.
Blasphemy :mad:
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an4340
Posted 2006-03-13 4:38 PM (#262343 - in reply to #262334)
Subject: Re: Advice on Headstocks and tuner placement


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A trick with the telecaster headstock is doing a behind the nut bend. You can't do that with a gibson. However, I don't do that too often, so it's not an issue.
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Waskel
Posted 2006-03-13 5:04 PM (#262344 - in reply to #262334)
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Oh, no....
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-03-13 6:47 PM (#262345 - in reply to #262334)
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I do all my bending in front of the nut, too.
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tdeej
Posted 2006-03-13 7:49 PM (#262346 - in reply to #262334)
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I'd make a comment but I might be missinterpretted twice in one thread. :)
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Beal
Posted 2006-03-13 9:10 PM (#262347 - in reply to #262334)
Subject: Re: Advice on Headstocks and tuner placement



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In the big picture it really doesn't make a rat's ass but provides for some really good Marketing Rhetoric about what is better. My two cents is that the straighter the better and a 14 degree peghead is about right for the tension. String trees are to be avoided but on a Tele/strat they're necessary. All that said I've played some really good sounding guitars that go against all this.
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