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Location: Phoenix AZ | A lawyer who spends a lot of time on internet forums like the OFC. Yeah, we need more of those. Just curious Mark, do those court rooms have WiFi? On TV I always see the judge has a laptop open and of course nobody but Judy can see the screen. I always wonder what they're looking at? I can just imagine that they're surfing for deals on RV rentals or buying rubber sex toys, or something ... Dave |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
I'm a lawyer. I admire people that actually make something besides trouble. You should give it a try. You might be good at it. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Dave, I'm simply reiterating what Photogazer himself said...
"The Ovation rep tried to hand off the "the 30th Custom Legend is the 2004 Collector" to me."
I don't think there was any OFFICIAL attempt to say that the 30CL was the "2004 Collector", but I remember there was more than one "unofficial" inference to that fact. Given the apparently weak sales performance of the 2003(remember all the closeouts and FRGs????), it may have been decided to give priority to something that customers would like (the 30CL and the LX series), rather than make another weak Collectors. Makes sense.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I agree.
I have always thought that the ANNUAL Collectors idea was a bad one. Who's to say that some years you don't have TWO good ideas for limited edition collectable guitars and other years you have NONE? I think that's why we saw so many years of basically the same old thing - shallow bowl multihole with some new-fangled top, blah, blah, blah. That's not to say there have not been some steller Collectors over the years. The 87, 97 and 05 jump out at me as WOW that's something different and it's awesome. Others will disagree, whihc is OK. I just think the ANNUAL aspect of the whole thing should be dumped and just put out something special when and if you have it. Examples like the FD14, U681, John Lennon reissue, CL30, the shiny bowl reissues, the new adamas, etc.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I suspect the Collector's editions have more to do with marketing than innovation. Some people just like to collect stuff. Nothing wrong with that.
I have never watched Judge Judy, Dave, but if she's for real, she's watching the transcript of the testimony as the court reporter takes it down. They use software called RealTime, or something similar. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
I have never watched Judge Judy, Dave, but if she's for real, she's watching the transcript of the testimony as the court reporter takes it down. Oh, come on Mark. YOU know she's reading Dilbert cartoons. Admit it.
To be clear, the Collectors series DID serve as the launching grounds for a lot of innovations. As I recall the various collectors guitars were the first editions of shallow bowl, onboard tuners, OP-X, Optima, Trubalance pickup, OP-Pro, inlaid epaulets, contour bowl, VIP and lots more. But some years were just very bland.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | I agree, the Collectors series has launched some important features. I'm firmly convinced that the 2002, despite its "panelmaster" tag, was at least a partial prototype for the LX series. It has a TRC and a light neck. Plus, it sounds far better than a panelmaster has a right to!!!!
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Standingovation:
Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
I have never watched Judge Judy, Dave, but if she's for real, she's watching the transcript of the testimony as the court reporter takes it down. Oh, come on Mark. YOU know she's reading Dilbert cartoons. Admit it.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I learn the hard way. I was arguing with a judge about what somebody had testified, and I was sure he didn't know what he was talking about because he hardly ever took notes. Later in the trial I found out that he had "Real time" on the monitor and could see exactly what everyone had said.
Sort of like trying to argue with Dave about Ovations. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I don't need no stinkin notes ... |
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| I liked the Collectors series because the guitar was usually a benchmark for new ideas in design, woods, and electronics. Some were excellent, some were not, just like every other guitar brand made anywhere. Sure Ovation might have multiple good ideas in one year and none the next, but the whole idea is marketing, so you produce some, and you sit on some. It all evens out in the end. There are very few standard model Ovations that tickle my fancy. Every once in a while they come out with one, and most of the time, they could have easily been released as a Collector Series.
Oh yeah, Mark, I have no problems with lawyers, until they send me the bill. :>
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Location: Keller, TX | I just picked up #053. Gotta agree with everything everybody has said. Tons of bass, sustain is incredible, easy player, gorgeous looks.
I wonder if I can send it in and have:
1. abalone binding added.
2. fix the stoopid tuner issue. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I've seen them do the abalone binding and my guess is that it would be REAL difficult to do as an after-the-fact. But it's probably worth asking. Dave |
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Location: boulder | Actually when you read the VIP user manual, it states "Only after you've connected your guitar (or used the included activation plug) will pressing this button activate the tuner."
Of course neither of the two guitars with the VIP electronics I have played, had the "activation plug " included with it.
But I do have two other comments here. I hope they do not come off as to disorganized- i am tired , but here goes...1)The 2006 Koa is a great sounding guitar. I think it holds its own in its price range.
the second is the Vip electronics. I really don't understand why i would want or need a digital image of my guitar through a microphone, rather then just the sound of the guitar itself. (Ditto for me wanting my guitar to sound like another guitar through a microphone-WTH)
The koa collector and the adamas 2080 I own, both sounded better to my hear played straight without any imaging mixed in. i played them both through my small tube amp and straight into my small multitrack recorder at home. The sound images just did not impress me, but I could be missing the point here since i do not play out where it might be beneficial.
But my point is not to knock the VIP. I really want to let everyone think of the possibilities. ...If digital images can be stored in a preamp, so can effects, if effects can be stored, an external memory card can be inserted to store any personally chosen effects. If a memory card can be inserted, you could store background tracks to be played as you play leads over it. Or you could store the recording of your playing as you play it. Basically what I am driving at it is, Ovation just took electronics to a whole new level.
activation plugs-that's a good one though...peace |
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Location: Keller, TX | I need to modify my previous comments a little. The 2006 is a great guitar with a beautiful tone when strung with medium strings. I restrung it with Adamas 1818s (lights) today and took out one of the shims to lower the action. Now it sounds flat, dead, no sustain.
Same thing happened to the Custom Elite I had a while back. I had to use mediums and had to have the saddle up high enough to make the top vibrate. If I lowered the action or put on light strings, it just killed the sound.
I will try to put the shim back in. I don't have any medium strings right now, but will try that too. (I do have a pair of light-medium elixirs on the way from Amazon).
Fred, any suggestions on different strings to try? You seem to always have the right string suggestions. |
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Location: SoCal | Fred has some great recommendations - if you can pronounce the name :p
IMHO, 1818 or 1818E's (or D'Ad equiv) work well across the board. |
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Location: Orange County, California | I took out 1 .020" shim from the Custom Elite, and took a bunch of relief out of the neck. This is important, because as you lower the bridge, the angle of the strings from the frets to the bridge changes. by "straightening out" the neck you keep that angle steep. So you may need to play with the truss rod a bit too :D
I think the 1818's are a good "all around" string, but they may not be the "end-all" for that guitar. I think if your're comparing it to the Mill-CB, you're going to be disappointed though. Not that it's bad, just that I think the Adamas top is way more responsive. It's not all about guage or tension. Ask anyone who played my U681T if they thought it lacked bass. Those are 10-46's on it :eek: |
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Location: CT | I don't know if the serial #'s started at 001 for the 2006, but it must be close. #033 is hanging the wall in Sam Ash NYC |
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