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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Where`s Rick when we really need him
Do U mean Rick Endress ? Do U want him to seal this thread with his bucket o` SoopahGlooh :p
But yeah..where is he..getting some more from the store Ya think ?? ;)
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Hi there Rick ( J N ) :)
Thanks for your input ,and you are right , yes, it would cost,but then again,any endeavour is perillous,however,prototypes are handmade,but the real costs are in design/developing /testing,now,I do n`t know either how big the marked share there is for JUMBO`s , but it seems as if it`s growing,C F Martin came out with some budget models about ,what ,10 years ago ( J 15 & J12-15 ) the latter one being a 12 string even :) yet retaining their costly line ,and Gibson making more than ever , Guitar Shop over here ( chain business )claims that their most sold Gibsons are the J-45 (dread around2.900 usd ) and the SJ-200 (Jumbo around 4.500 usd )
and the only Epiphone`s ( Gibson copies )that they have in stock are..Jumbo`s ! There are famous artists sporting them , Emmy Lou Harris for one :) So them J`s are not exactly an Obscure breed ;) My guess is that it opens up possibilities , a new angle to "attack" the market,yes certainly I want 1 , 2 even ,actually , I`m scheming & dealing to get a J 15 from my Better Half and or Kids for X-mas ( There is that used SJ 200 Artist , but 3000 dollars ?! ) Ouch !! :rolleyes:
Anyways , there`s a reason for my using the 1537 as my main acoustic ( and wanting 1 in J-format ), so I would like to see a certain Charles ( not the English one )to come out of retirement and roll the dice once more , for I am convinced that He could make many a player happy to be the proud owner of a JUMBO with unsurpassed Acoustic / Electric properties ,see that`s the key ,all the other J`s are prone to FEEDBACK ,now that`s where ovation excels ,..the Lack off it ( Apart from stunning good looks )So Judging by it all , it seems as that there is a Huge Market for ovation J`s , Soooh ..C`mon..gimme a Big One..Size does matter !! ;) ( When performing I could charge twice as much ) :rolleyes:
(personal note ) J N : That TAKAMINE got a valve powered pre-amp ?
( personal note )NORTH : what amp. U`re using ?
Later People..
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I Do realize that there are a Zillion reasons for Employees / Bosses not to "speak out of turn " but I also realize that some Ovation people read our posts , so I took the opportunity to air my views ,as one post so eloquently commented :" I hope they`re watching ; after all, they get a ton of free feedback " (Jewel`s mom ) . :)
Therefore I did not /do not expect any one affiliated with the company to answer / argue / knock me over my head . :)
However..!!...I was hoping that others would come with suggestions too , since that does not seem to be the case , I will quietely lick my wounds , and continue to dream of what could have been ,and peer through a magnifying glass at my 1537..."hulk"... :(
thank you for the audition...
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Interesting about the Jumbo's. I'm curios if a 2080 or the reissues are already louder, have better balanced tone (as in not bass heavy) and maintain volume up the neck more than any of the jumbo's already. And plugged in... well an Ovation really doesn't have any competition if someone knows how to use the preamp and how to put it into the mix. So although there's some logic to why the traditional guitar makers would want a jumbo, I'm seeing Ovation just not needing one. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | On the tour this spring I was listening to a conversation Rick Hall was having with someone about Left-Handed GS bowls not being available YET. Rick discussed the high cost of tooling up for the new technology guitar design (LX). I don't remember if he said the cost of a bowl mold was $75,000 or $175,000, but that's just one fraction of the cost of the LX change.
I don't think the millions it cost for the new design were just sitting in the bank. This was an investment in Ovation's future. So newer bowl configurations probably have to wait, though I'm sure it's on their minds.
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| I don't know guy's I do custom made things like this all the time as my job. Not a guitar specifically but some amazing one of a kind things that are specific to one Museum or another. I guess this is why I have a different view about a lot of things.
With that said my attitude is... What happened to the old molds?? How hard would it be to add an inch of material over this entire mold or whatever thickness it would be to build a Jumbo sized body ? Did they stop making fiberglass?? Is there any reason a good luthier can't build a top slightly oversized and join it to a larger sized body? OK so the sound engineers did not kick the tires and study it for six months but just how bad can it be. We are talking about a top and body that is perhaps 10%- 15% larger. And assuming this customer willing to pay a custom price for one?? This could be looked at by the factory as a possible custom request in the future again so the cost of redirecting a luthier for a week or so to work on this could be layed off in the future if a few more were sold?? We should not be talking about "Tooling Up" for a new production run. This is just some custom work. The guy's doing the math will never see the benefit of paying "one" man to build "one" guitar. You loose a real special part of a company when this happens.
When the masses dictate the direction a company travels you are in danger of mediocrity and becoming lost in a sea of marketing points.
I say you have to keep your options open for any custom desires. It is part of the Heart of any company. I can see a photo w/caption of a Custom built Jumbo Acoustic Guitar made by Ovation for Vic in a blurp in some Acoustic guitar magazine. The next day the Factory will have a dozen requests to make more. And you will already know the process. Forgive my ignorance concerning guitar manufacturing I do not pretend to know "ALL" I am just looking at one custom order and I am seeing that it could be done. And should be for more than just the Cost/Profit sheet. These custom projects keep people talking about "Ovation" and their "Diversification" and "Ingenuity" and "Customer Relations" just as much as that great repair shop they have does. Perhaps more?
Now before I get nasty messages about this post?? I am just sending a simple message to the guy's at the factory saying; could you please lighten up with the bean counting in the custom shop just a little. You get more benefit from this work than just the price of the guitar. And remember the "Other" guy's do custom orders. You can loose long time customers with this attitude. Or did the bean counters figure out that the losses will be minimal already? I do not think I will cause anyones "arms" to fall off at the factory nor will they start putting their shorts on their heads and begin running into walls from my dribble.
By the way that Celebrity Double neck that the Americans were not allowed to buy has arrived from Steve. It is a fantastic instrument. Plugged in through a nice acoustic amp it will be used for many songs during any given night. The sound is stellar! Acoustically it is better than many celebrities because of the volume of the body I think?? But when I get questions about where to buy one,(and I always do) I will tell them to look in any guitar shop in Tokyo or Hong Kong.(You guys are lucky) You won't find one here. I guess we are not ready for a good looking stage guitar that has that genius electronics design with the "Shape" button, that I always liked the most, and a tiger maple top that does not make one little difference in sound once it is plugged in.
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Location: SoCal | The original Adamaii I's were 1/4" deeper than regular Ovations due to their mounting ring. Wonder what a wood topped O would sound like if it were 1/4" deeper? |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Originally posted by V-elite:
(personal note ) J N : That TAKAMINE got a valve powered pre-amp ?
No, this is a bottom of the line all acoustic Takamine that I bought for about $225 new to replace a very old but excellent Alvarez that met an unfortunate fate. Excellent sounding instrument and quite playable but the intonation is just a hair off, which is why I bought my S771 a couple of months later.
I've seen those "cool tube" technology pre-amps on the higher end Taks, but have never tried one through an amp. I personally think its kind of gimicky. I'm sure they work well, but I guess I just don't really see the point of it. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by V-elite:
( playing an "A" is a rather crowded afair for my fingers ) Learn to make a 'one-finger' A chord by bending the first finger backwards to cover the three strings. This also leaves the other fingers free to doodle to your hearts content.
For the insomnia, drink a whole pot of chamomile tea at bedtime. You'll get up a lot over night but you'll sleep...and dream.
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | hmmm, the one finger chord... |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
hmmm, the one finger chord... Google 'potsy chord'. Next. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | well, that clears me up... |
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| Did Johnny Cash just give me the finger? I think he did.......Now I am unsure how long it will take for me to remove that image from my brian! |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | .......Now I am unsure how long it will take for me to remove that image from my brian!
I don't even know what you would use to get something out of your brian... does StewMac make something for that?? :D |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | That pic just reminded me that Rank & File didn't invent Country Punk. Reminded me to go home and crank 'Long Gone Dead' re-eal loud too!  |
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| Well Mike, considering I typed Brian instead of Brain and none of the grammer nazi's nailed me on it. I'd say I am ahead of the game. Thanks for being easy on me.
The solution to the removal question would be a bullet, and that may have the pleasant side effect of creating some happy people.
If I were the shooter I'd make sure it was a silver bullet though, the full moon does often keep me up all night.
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Thank You All for the terrific input :) , I guess I wont be needing to learn how to play " Oh lomesome me " ( by Connie Francis ) by the way....I`m 16 ..never had a date.. ;)
J N .. yeah..valve amps are maybe overrated :rolleyes:
Fillhix : molto gracie mi amigo , will try that gymnastic thingie U came with..& the Tea :) ( did not know I could play Johnny Cash though ) :eek:
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Location: Houston, Texas | Originally posted by V-elite:
J N .. yeah..valve amps are maybe overrated :rolleyes:
Uh, there are major differences between a power amplifier and an acoustic guitar pre-amp. |
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Location: Keller, TX | Originally posted by Northcountry:
With that said my attitude is... What happened to the old molds?? Did they stop making fiberglass??
Randy Actually, the bowls for the #47 reissue were hand laid, right? |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Originally posted by Joyful Noise:
No, this is a bottom of the line all acoustic Takamine that I bought for about $225 new to replace a very old but excellent Alvarez that met an unfortunate fate. Excellent sounding instrument and quite playable but the intonation is just a hair off, which is why I bought my S771 a couple of months later.
I actually just got the chance to try for the first time a Takamine EG-544SC ac/el in a GC the other day. Nice "concert" body, preamp with tuner, sweet Koa back & sides and satin cedar top. Sound was absolutely amazing for a cheaper guitar, and the neck was about as close as I've played to a good Ovation neck. All in all, I was really impressed.
I played it up against a couple Breedloves (which were nice) and a couple mid-range Taylors ($1800 - $2200), and even without the cost difference figured in, I'd take the Tak as first choice of everything I played. I forget sometimes that Kaman just makes good products all around - not just O's and A's.
BTW, V-elite, the best way around the whole A-chord dilema is to substitute an A2 plus maybe a hammer-on...just remove your fourth finger (from the strings ;) ) and play open, and you've got a nice versatile chording pattern that's easy to do moves and transitions from. It's a cheat...but a good one! :D |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Kaman basically just bought Takamini (Originally a Japanese company) out at some point in time. I don't know much of the history or how much influence Kaman has had on them. For all I know Kaman might be responsible for initiating these cheaper Taks which are made outside of Japan. But they seem like pretty good guitars overall, at least the ones I've tried. I just keep mine tuned to open E and pick it up every now and then when the mood hits me. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Edensharvest :Thanks ,will start cheating right away :p
Joyful N :Actually what I meant was, at the moment ( at least overhere )there`s a craze goin`on concerning valve amps ,no matter how much "hum" or "hiss" there is , if there`s a valve in it ,then it`s gotta be good ,I would like to discuss with You the technical merits off Valve Pre / Power amp versus transistorized circuitry but alas...this board may not be suited for that subject :)
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