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colt357
Posted 2006-12-21 10:14 PM (#225514)
Subject: Necking...


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No, not that kind! Which US Ovation models use a bolt-on neck? Is this considered a good or bad method of attaching the neck and why? What is thought to be the best join of neck and body?

Dave
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MWoody
Posted 2006-12-21 10:42 PM (#225515 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...



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I'll take a shot at this.

Having a through neck, or continuous piece of wood will promote a longer lasting tone (sustain)or rather, it will loose less energy as time goes. When two materials are put together there is a loss of energy as it transfers between them.
A bolt on neck is easier to build and better for repair of either body or neck. The LX's are bolt on with a precision pocket.

To minimize the loss of energy between neck and body Ovation made the pocket snug and used white glue and newsprint as a Conducer (conductive material). When I join a body to the neck I will glue a Bible Verse (See "calling on Unseen Forces" in your Wikipedia).

I have a Mahogany Viper that hold a note quite well!
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Jason_S
Posted 2006-12-21 11:02 PM (#225516 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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i just finished a set neck on a folklore for my dad for christmas. it was my first setneck and it came out great. i got the neck set perfect. like mike said a bolt on is easier to work with,build and repair but a set neck has better sustain..im no expert or any of that stuff..just my experiences...jason
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colt357
Posted 2006-12-22 11:33 AM (#225517 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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jc83, congrats on the neck set, bet your Dad will love it.

MWoody, thanks, that does help. I see you have a couple of LX models. What's your opinion of them compared to your others, especially your 1112, sustain and tone wise?

Dave
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Steve
Posted 2006-12-22 2:33 PM (#225518 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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My Deacon has a bolt on neck...never had a problem...I imagine if the specs and construction are precise it's only a neglible difference...
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Enaitz Jar
Posted 2006-12-22 3:34 PM (#225519 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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Another question about necks:

Does all Ovations have the same profile type neck? I have an CC 026 Celebrity with an V profile neck. I'm mostly an electric player used to the C or U profile necks and I wonder if my guitar had a typical Ovation neck or what.
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Tupperware
Posted 2006-12-22 3:37 PM (#225520 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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Originally posted by Enaitz Jar:
Does all Ovations have the same profile type neck?
No.
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Enaitz Jar
Posted 2006-12-22 3:39 PM (#225521 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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eeerrr ...

Could you please be a bit more specific?

:-)
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Tupperware
Posted 2006-12-22 3:49 PM (#225522 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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The "names" are very vague. I personally recognize 4 different shapes and I call them Hard-V, Soft-V, Soft-C, and Flat-C. Dave
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Jason_S
Posted 2006-12-22 3:53 PM (#225523 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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i mostly play widenecks so i prefer the older profiles of the folklore,country artist,12 strings..ect..you get the point. i guess you would call that a flat c??? jason
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Jason_S
Posted 2006-12-22 3:54 PM (#225524 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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oh i forgot..the al di meola legend has its own profile..jason
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Enaitz Jar
Posted 2006-12-22 4:06 PM (#225525 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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Many thanks for your info. What a shame I got my guitar with an V style neck :-(

Well, I love her anyway, and it has an really beautyfull grain at the headstock I won't reemplace for sure.
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schroeder
Posted 2006-12-22 6:37 PM (#225526 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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"What a shame I got my guitar with an V style neck"

Not at all - it's my favourite shape by a long way.

And like all things relating to a guitar - a good bolt on neck is way better than an average set-neck, and vice-versa. There are some great plywood guitars and some rubbish solid top guitars. Who made it and how they made it is way more important than what they made it from.
Just my 2 pennies' worth - currently worth about 4 of your Yankee dollars. I feel an order to al coming on :D
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2006-12-23 1:50 PM (#225527 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...



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I have three O's and three NO's. All the necks are different.
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colt357
Posted 2006-12-27 9:34 PM (#225528 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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Put a CD called "Unique Voices" ( courtesy of Al...thank you again) in the computor last night and discovered this. Somehow did not take note of it the first couple of times I viewed it. Cool CD!

It was stated that Ovation uses 3 neck styles. A slim electric style, used on the LX's. A traditional semi V. And the Al Dimeola.

It was also stated, that the CNC machining used for the LX neck set, gave tolerences of 1/10,000 of an inch. This machine measures each top before it starts to cut the neck pocket and adjust accordingly so the set is correct.

Dave
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Steve
Posted 2006-12-28 9:54 AM (#225529 - in reply to #225514)
Subject: Re: Necking...


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The neck on my custom balladeer was chunkier than the soft V neck on my 1767. So, I guess the balladeer was a hard V?
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