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Location: SoCal | Hot Damn!
I just found a beatup Breadwinner at Elderly Instruments with humbucking pickups, for $99. Gonna put those pickups on my Viper (with the Preacher Deluxe neck). Oh boy! |
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Location: Scotland | Hey Paul, wanna sell what's left, you could get back what you paid for the electronics alone on ebay, & I'll take the neck & body if you want to sell.
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Location: SoCal | Rats. I just got word from Elderly Enstruments that I didn't get the Breadwinner. Anybody have any Ovation humbuckers that they can sell me? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I was looking at that instrument at Olderly Instruments.. and I noticed something odd. The pickups are the humbuckers used in the Deacon or Preacher... however, the bridge is that of a Breadwinner. No point to this... just it looked like several "axe" guitars put together. |
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Location: SoCal | It seems to me that the early Breadwinners had the older larger funkier pickups. Then they were switched to the humbuckers that were used on the Breadwinners, Preachers, etc etc. Then, after the p/u switch, the saddle was changed from nylong (or whatever it was) to brass, which was used for the rest of the solidbody production. So I didn't think of that guitar as unusal. Just timely for me.
Damn. I'm still ticked at not getting those pickups. My Viper is apart and just ready for them. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I'm not positive, but I don't think Breadwinners ever had the small humbuckers. I have seen Breadwinner with and without electronics using the large pickups, but I believe only the Deacons went to the newer style Sludge-bucker pickups.
I am actually curios (while we are on this subject) for not only clarification of the above, but WHY were plastic saddles used on the early Breadwinners? My guess would be it having something to do with the active electronics. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Miles, i have seen more breadwinners that had the small humbuckers than breadwinners with the large single coils...Also, all deacons and breadwinners had the circuit board and active electronics.I have never seen a non active deac or bread unless someone altered it.Some early breadwinners though had the input jack on the side of the guitar and the circuit board was configured differently..Later they changed the jack to the front on the pickguard and was incorporated into the circuit board.....I have also seen stock breadwinners and deacons with nylon saddles and brass saddles.I think ovation used both style bridges on deacons and breads.Then later came the nice schaller bridges that were used on deacons,preacher,vipers,UK's .... |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Interesting points Sam.
My experience has been quite the opposite, so I'm gonnas guess that there have been all versions on everything. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | The breadedweiners started with the large toriodal coil single coil pickups, nylon saddles and the jack on the side. As Sam says everything was active.
At some point early on the jack moved to the top. The big pickups had a problem getting enough output on the high E string. I don't remember if any Deacons were made with the big pickups. Anyone seen one??? They may have all been the thumbsuckers. The Deacons came about a year after the introduction of the Weiner. To solve the output problem the switch was made to the humbuckers (as a bonus this reduced the factory inventory, only needed one pickup, not two) As an aside all these pickups were made in the factory. The bobbins were sent out to be wound.
I think this time period was was somewhere in the middle of the Brass age so the saddles were switched to brass "to get more sustain"
It was another couple of years before the Schaller bridge came along and everything switched to that. The Schaller was totally retrofitable into the electrics, just if you had a guitar that didn't have active electronics you had a hole in the back that was the old adjustment for the bridge assembly. The Schaller didn't have or need this. |
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Location: Scotland | I go with Sam on this. Also, I've seen a few Deacons with the early "big" single coils. There's one pictured on page 320 of Tom Wheeler's "American Guitars" book. Further, as was discussed in an eariler post, the 12 pole mini-humbucker as used on the Breadwinner, Deacon, Deacon 12 & Preacher are actually the same pickup. I've seen enough hacked -about Breadwiners & Deacons to know the pickups work without the circuitry.
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | I have seen a few Deacons make it out of the factory with the large single coils as well..Also, there were different pickguards as well on the early breadwinners.The body routes were different as was the circuit board so the early pickguards do not cover the entire hole on the later deacs and breads.So you have to be careful when buying a pickguard.As far as the humbucker pick ups,they are all the same and were used in all the later model solid bodies exept the UK2..Some models were active(deacons ,breadwinners,limited,preacher deluxe)and some were non active(viper,preacher)...Bill, you are correct,the schaller bridges did fit into the same body cut out and the threaded sleeves in the body worked the same but you have to use different bridge bolts on the schallers.The ovation bolts were narrow and sat under the bridge requiring the extra bolt that went thru the body.The Schaller bridge is held in place by the bridge bolts with thick wide heads so no extra bolt was needed thru the body ...
BTW, if you want a killer sounding guitar put a set of UK2 pick ups in a deacon without active electronics...They sound amazing in that body... |
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Location: NJ | even givsun used nylon saddles in their tunematics for a while I am not sure of the reasoning probably cost. Many people do not like the Hamer duotone since the bridge saddle is not metal and it does not sustain like a guitar with a TOM bridge. Personally it is not that devastating of a difference to me.
In the Ovation viper that I had emg's put in it sounds great. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Interesting points on the pickups. I guess some of the other configurations were less popular in a sence. I was basing my info on the guitars I have seen and the info in the Ovation book and pictures in the brosures. In my collection all of the Breadwinners have the early large pickups with or without electronics. All of the Deacons and Limited (and the preachers) have the humbucker pickups (actice or not). I guess it's just an odd coinsidence I have never seen a Breadwinner with humbuckers or a Deacon with the large coil pickups. I guess that's what makes this fun. There are a lot of guitars that came out of Ovation that made use of the caveat that is in many other brosures of "actual item may differ based on......" |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | By the way... I just read my last post, and realized it may have come across a little sarc. I really do think it's rather interesting and maybe a little intrigueing that for a line of guitars that were made for such a short number years, there are so many different variations, and we seem to keep unearthing new ones all the time.
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