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stellarjim
Posted 2008-10-07 9:11 PM (#17367)
Subject: Monitor Holes


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I'm sure someone's thought of this before but it seems logical that these holes in the body would let you hear your own music better than the standard Ovation design.

Monitor Holes

Has anyone seen an Ovation model like this? Early prototype?

Jim
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-10-07 9:18 PM (#17368 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes


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Somebody here did that to one of their guitars and brought it to a gathering in CT a couple of years ago. I never played it so I don't know what the results were....
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Gallerinski
Posted 2008-10-07 9:18 PM (#17369 - in reply to #17367)
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I think it belongs to bauerhillboy
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Beal
Posted 2008-10-07 11:06 PM (#17370 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes



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interesting, how'd it work?
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TAFKAR
Posted 2008-10-08 12:55 AM (#17371 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes



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Pull out the preamp and you'll get a similar effect. I'm not sure it would be good - I gave my guitar a strum with the manhole cover off and it was not an improvement.
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Joe Rotax
Posted 2008-10-08 3:41 AM (#17372 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes


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I wonder if it would lose something with all those holes in the one area.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2008-10-08 4:57 AM (#17373 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes


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Side ports work pretty well as a monitor, as they direct some if the highs towards the player. But, what you need to remember is that the soundhole (or holes) is a tuning port for the fundamental frequency of the guitar's air-cavity and there is an optimum size of soundhole for a given body size. Add side ports and you need to decrease the size of the main soundhole accordingly because bass response is decreased as the Helmholtz frequency is raised (try playing an Adamas or Elite with the back cover off) I've always thought that the Ovation SSB's might have sounded better acoustically if they'd been made with a smaller soundhole. Martin always used proportionally smaller holes on their smaller guitars and they are always well-balanced and not lacking in bass response.

I seem to remember that John's mod showed that effect. It was easier to hear from the playing position but lacked a little bass. A set of Airlocks would cure that.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2008-10-08 8:37 AM (#17374 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes
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Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
... accordingly because bass response is decreased as the Helmholtz frequency is raised ...
DING.
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ddr
Posted 2008-10-08 11:37 AM (#17375 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes


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Back in the mid 80’s I bought an Arbor guitar called the Sound Port that has 2 holes on the top of the guitar. It’s a great guitar for learning and playing, because a lot of the sound comes up and you are able to hear the guitar better. But the guitar is a bit softer than most for your audience. I have never seen any of these come up on the used market. Even though Arbor seems to make mostly low end stuff today, this is a really nice playing guitar. I’ll snap some photos and post them if anyone is interested.
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Northcountry
Posted 2008-10-08 12:54 PM (#17376 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes
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Don't leave it outside. You'll get bee's in there.

It would be great for easy, covert, cashew insertions.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2008-10-08 1:05 PM (#17377 - in reply to #17367)
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Or confetti...........
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cliff
Posted 2008-10-08 1:10 PM (#17378 - in reply to #17367)
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(snicker)
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-10-08 1:15 PM (#17379 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes
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... no cashews?
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2008-10-08 3:12 PM (#17380 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes


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Cough... Goldfish Crackers... Cough.

:p :D :p :D
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schroeder
Posted 2008-10-08 3:50 PM (#17381 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes


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fred, come back, fred, we love you fred, we all love you fred.
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Phil Wong
Posted 2008-10-08 4:02 PM (#17382 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes


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Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Somebody here did that to one of their guitars and brought it to a gathering in CT a couple of years ago. I never played it so I don't know what the results were....
That was bauerhillboy.
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Phil Wong
Posted 2008-10-08 4:03 PM (#17383 - in reply to #17367)
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fillhixx
Posted 2008-10-08 4:15 PM (#17384 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes



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Need the Heimlich Maneuver there, Fred?
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schroeder
Posted 2008-10-08 5:02 PM (#17385 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes


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Thinking about Vancouver and thereabouts for next year's vacation.
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cpotter73
Posted 2008-10-08 5:38 PM (#17386 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes


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I was reading the new guitar world and they have a review of this new solitaire guitar from bouldercreek with the sound hole pointed up at you. here is the link
http://www.bouldercreekguitars.com/
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2008-10-08 6:22 PM (#17387 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes


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There was a 1680 proto (unpainted hand-laid contour bowl) at the LAST TOUR with just the bezel from the pre-amp can in the hole on the side. It sounded great, and didn't diminish the "frontal response" much, if at all.
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cliff
Posted 2008-10-08 10:20 PM (#17388 - in reply to #17367)
Subject: Re: Monitor Holes


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He doesn't come around often, but when he does, he's generally correct.

Who WAS that MaskedMan??


THIS is how they shoulda' done the "iDea".

No holes in the top, and soundports by the preamp/mic . . .
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